ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So you don't think that a bit of reflexivity about your own relationship to power is something that people should engage in?
If people didn't do so, we as a nation would be in a much worse state than we are.
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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So you don't think that a bit of reflexivity about your own relationship to power is something that people should engage in?
If people didn't do so, we as a nation would be in a much worse state than we are.
editor
hiraethified
MOAR!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
From twitter
Did anyone really think she would be?
I'm still amazed she hasn't already, tbh. Her position is entirely untenable.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He did say "who works for a corporation and knows what the flying fuck it's doing", which implies people up the food chain from "shitworkers".
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
She doesn't hold a position - she hasn't spoken in public, and apparently offered to resign the evening before last. Murdoch is the one holding a position.
damnhippie
shark sandwich
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
it's ironic that papers like the news of the world would harass mps and other public figures to resign, and yet when the same pressure is put on them, they ignore it
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
what they should be doing is hacking phones of the chief execs of major companies, finding out their naughties and threatening them with exposure if they pull their ads
have they learned nothing from this affair ?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well, that makes sense. She could still just announce in public that she had resigned - what would Murdoch do, say she wasn't allowed to?
Better that she should stay in position for as long as possible anyway, I would have thought. Her still in place can only encourage advertisers to continue to pull their business.
She did try, apparently, but was turned down, and rather than getting rid of her they shut down her former paper instead. As Rusbridger said on newsnight last night, on the face of it, it looks perverse. Presumably there's a reason, though.
I forget who it was who suggested yesterday that she's in effect being used as a human shield for James Murdoch. That doesn't sound implausible. Either that, or she knows where too many of the bodies are buried.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Or both.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
On other stuff ... the power that Murdoch gets from his print media is not mind control of the reasdership, it is the power to build or destroy reputations. It is not the direct implantation of bogus ideas but the unnoticeable drip drip drip of advertising that allows him to threaten, cajole and bribe his way to hoilding more power over those that run our lives than the Prime Minister has, because every PM since Thatcher has been in thrall to or in fear of him.
That's over now. His power has evaporated with the credibility of his methods. The scumminess, the ever-widening time-frame (we have 1987 to 2010ish now), James Murdoch in the frame for approving hush money (possibly in a criminal way).
The worms have turned. He is over. It is entirely reasonable to say that News International should be barred from operating on British soil or owning British media. That should be the next aim. Cameron will fall with his crutches, and then we can take out the Met and the Mail.
Exactly this. The Sun and the NOTW were his main weapons for rewarding, threatening and destorying people who who he either wanted to partonise or punish. And that would very much include any politicians, beuracrats or police officers who had the power to reign him in or poke around in how he ran his business. Now the NotW is dead and the sun is having to tread very carefully.
He is a tyrant. A classic bully. But without his weapons he is suddenly very vuneralbe and surrounded by a long list of grudge bearing people in powerful positions backed by widespeard public anger.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I don't get this human shield theory, James Murdoch's job is safe, daddy owns the company.
Very possibly.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Lots of "seems" and "appears" in your posts.
If what you say is true then stop hedging and post some direct quotes of people revelling in ordinary workers being put on the dole.
That is big advertiser to blanket boycott all NI titles and come out and state it publicly.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Ha. Neither little Jimmy nor his dad is safe in this affair. The shareholders could decide to get rid of them both. It wouldn't be the first time the founder of a company was given the boot by the board.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It's beyond jobs. It's who's life is going to be consumed by this for the next x years (5 years?), and even who's doing time besides Coulson.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
I'm loving how Murdoch with ambitions to be a Global Broadcaster, has completely failed to understand the public, and advertisers and their reaction to what has happened, sacked staff, closed a paper, when in reality, sacking Brooks would probably have appeased a lof of people - too late for that now though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
James behind bars and Rupert kicked out of his own company would do me as a result.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
well daddy owns 39% so he's the biggest shareholder, no one else owns more than 39% so it would be difficult to oust him.
Yes, but what, if anything, did he know about the phone hacking? Perhaps they think that keeping Brooks in place might draw the fire away from him...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If things are going catastrophically badly, that's potentially 61% against.
temper_tantrum
The beauty of the ride
It's very simple: if Brooks goes now, then she won't be available to be fired later on, when things get worse, will she.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Yep - News International are clearly members of the Hosni Mubarak school of crises management.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Jup. I've just written to the Co-op to ask them to go all the way too. Anyone who uses their services and/or is a member, please join me!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Its stuff that which makes me think its more and more likely that the recent decisions around this were taken by either James Murdoch, or James Murdoch and the News Corp board, rather than by Rupert Murdoch - I mean, he might be called many things, but he is not a fool.
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