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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

Did anyone just hear Cameron's news conference? He was proper shifty, really on the rack, it was cringing to listen to. The journo's kept asking him time and time again about his judgment on hiring Coulson and all he could say was 'we gave him another chance and he did a good job for us'.

One of the best things about Cameron is he's a terrible liar and everyone can spot it, pure car crash of a conference. Fortunatly we have a strong opposition who will be all over this and not a useless berk who has also employed an ex NI hack who's hands are no doubt covered in the same shit.
 
Dunno - there's obviously some a lot a cynical calcualtions going on but it still looks like desperation and panic to me.

Losing the NOTW is a severe blow to Murdochs prestige, image, ego and consequnetly his power. Its not about the money it generates - which is small beer compared to the TV stuff - but the power the weekly scandal sheet gave him over public figures and politicians. The new sunday paper will be hobbled - it will be will have to win trust and have to be on its best behaviour, as will the Sun.

this must have been discussed as an option many times, whatever most people may think they can now hold up the sacrifice over and over again - we closed the country's biggest newspaper, what more do you want?

which makes me think this is power play, look what i can do - anyone else want some

its a gamble for sure, but not sure panic's the right word
 
"I was only obeying orders."

It's ridiculous to say that you should not search your conscience over what you do within the confines of the choices you have.

It's not a luxury. It is a responsibility that you either do or do not take upon yourself.

What? No. Did you miss the 'middle-class luxury' bit. Address it directly if you want to make such stupid claims. What sorts of workers have these choices, lbj?

I agree with you, if there are plenty of vacancies that suit your skills and plenty of work that pays well enough to live. But, that's not everyone is it? That's a very fucking small proportion of the population, isn't it?

Middle-class lefties polishing their halos for doing what is easy and condemning less fortunate others for not doing what is impossible, as per fucking usual. Open your fucking eyes. Jesus.
 
sweaty dave said:
He became a friend and he is a friend.
this seems an odd thing for cameron to say, considering he was saying it as coulson was being arrested. does he think people will be impressed by his loyalty?
 
Middle-class lefties polishing their halos for doing what is easy and condemning less fortunate others for not doing what is impossible, as per fucking usual. Open your fucking eyes. Jesus.

Well, this is Urban... what you expect?? ;)
 
What? No. Did you miss the 'middle-class luxury' bit. Address it directly if you want to make such stupid claims. What sorts of workers have these choices, lbj?

I agree with you, if there are plenty of vacancies that suit your skills and plenty of work that pays well enough to live. But, that's not everyone is it? That's a very fucking small proportion of the population, isn't it?

Middle-class lefties polishing their halos for doing what is easy and condemning less fortunate others for not doing what is impossible, as per fucking usual. Open your fucking eyes. Jesus.

*applause*
 
She is on record as knowing that they were paying police for information. She can't claim ignorance, at least.
 
As a casual student of drama, what I love about this is it's so much better than (even) the denouement in, say, State of Play - the final sequences of political dramas when handcuffs come out and the corrupt are caught in the flash of photo-journalists, being driven away in the back seat of police cars, looking doomed.


Real life is just so much better when it kicks off.....
 
Oh, and it's blindingly obvious that Elizabeth of York is not a troll, s/he's an astro-turfer - paid or unpaid, s/he's not here to chat shit or provoke people, s/he's here to push a party line. It's very, very obvious from the inconsistencies in views between threads.

I think s/he's useful to bring out arguments and evidence that would normally be taken as read, but there's really no point to mindless abuse, it just makes the counter-argument look as weak and pathetic as the propaganda line. IMO, obv.

S/he's a very useful idiot, so make best possible use of her/him, yeah?
 
Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; And The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

Yes Minister

(and very naughty of you not to attribute it to its source. Plagiarism isn't big or clever)
 
What? No. Did you miss the 'middle-class luxury' bit. Address it directly if you want to make such stupid claims. What sorts of workers have these choices, lbj?

I agree with you, if there are plenty of vacancies that suit your skills and plenty of work that pays well enough to live. But, that's not everyone is it? That's a very fucking small proportion of the population, isn't it?

Middle-class lefties polishing their halos for doing what is easy and condemning less fortunate others for not doing what is impossible, as per fucking usual. Open your fucking eyes. Jesus.

Perhaps you'd like to read my subsequent posts before jumping in. I'll tell you what sort of workers have choices - journalists who work for national tabloids. They haven't fallen into those positions as a result of a referral from the job centre. They have worked to get there. They have chosen getting there as their career choice.

Someone else not reading my posts properly.
 
What? No. Did you miss the 'middle-class luxury' bit. Address it directly if you want to make such stupid claims. What sorts of workers have these choices, lbj?

I agree with you, if there are plenty of vacancies that suit your skills and plenty of work that pays well enough to live. But, that's not everyone is it? That's a very fucking small proportion of the population, isn't it?

Middle-class lefties polishing their halos for doing what is easy and condemning less fortunate others for not doing what is impossible, as per fucking usual. Open your fucking eyes. Jesus.

Woah, ymu!

I never knew you had it in you! :D
 
i thought it'd be a lot, and i wasn't convinced by the "middle class lefties" bit of ymu's post in this context, i do have to say ... they must employ a lot more staff tho than just sub-editors etc tho ... and they'll also have freelancers, contractors etc i guess ... still sucks for the people losing their jobs though if they haven't done anything wrong - but i'm just not convinced that all of them are low paid and have no choices other than work there ...

obviously though, it's still completely out of order (and looks a bit mental!) that he's closed the paper in this manner ... and i do agree that the people who've lost their jobs will prob have some difficulty finding work in the forseeable future...
 
i thought it'd be a lot, and i wasn't convinced by the "middle class lefties" bit of ymu's post in this context, i do have to say ... they must employ a lot more staff tho than just sub-editors etc tho ... and they'll also have freelancers, contractors etc i guess ...

....and coppers.
 
Of course they do, they'd have fuck all to edit otherwise...

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