Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Giles]

A burglar is still a burglar even if the door to the house is left open.

The rest of your post is just strawman drivel.

I totally agree with your first comment.

I was not saying that because it is simple to do, it is OK. It is not. Just that because it is so trivially easy to do, that I'll bet it is pretty widespread, and not limited to the staff of one paper. The temptation, given some celebs phone number, to listen to voicemails from other celebs, their ex, etc, and get a "scoop" on some affair, scandal or whatever, to someone who's whole job is about digging the dirt on people in the public eye, would be hard to resist.

Just saying that everyone is focussing on NOTW and The Sun, whereas I bet the other papers have done exactly the same. It's just not come out (yet).

And everything else I said was just pointing out the tendency for everyone to focus on one "bad guy" while ignoring all the others.

I am not defending the behaviour of NOTW, Sun etc at all: just pointing out that the other papers have been doing exactly the same thing.

Giles..

 

[claphamboy]

An amusing tweet...

Almost all of the companies still advertising in the Screws are mobile phone networks. Alanis Morissette would call that "ironic".

 

[Stanley Edwards]

This time of the year is normally known as the 'Silly Season' in Fleet Street. It seems the BBC have excelled themselves with their articles and radio coverage.

The latest being the so called hacking of forces telephones. The article below is probably one of the very best at creating a story from pure conecture. Not a single fact!







Poor, poor reporting. Create an emotional knee-jerk article based on conjecture not fact. Shame on Radio 4's "Today" for carrying an interview with Ms. Gentle.

I look forward to C4's expose this evening.

BBC. We'll write anything to fill our web pages.

Erm... The report is about the police investigation. Is that pure conjecture also in your mind?

How the fuck anyone can be so dumb as to equate all this with 'silly season' is unbelievable.

 

[agricola]

This time of the year is normally known as the 'Silly Season' in Fleet Street. It seems the BBC have excelled themselves with their articles and radio coverage.

The latest being the so called hacking of forces telephones. The article below is probably one of the very best at creating a story from pure conecture. Not a single fact!







Poor, poor reporting. Create an emotional knee-jerk article based on conjecture not fact. Shame on Radio 4's "Today" for carrying an interview with Ms. Gentle.

I look forward to C4's expose this evening.

BBC. We'll write anything to fill our web pages.

 

[weltweit]

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just pointing out that the other papers have been doing exactly the same thing.

Giles..

But, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, I think by dylans, they were not caught red handed and their investigators have now had plenty of time to shred the evidence.

 

[ViolentPanda]

She cant survive. News International will have to sacrifce her to try and being some closure and protect NIs reputation (good luck with that BTW rupe). And Cameron is under intense pressure from his own side to call for her head. Coulson is already fucked and likely to go to prison.

Thing is, if Murdoch and his Newscorp board are thinking strategically, they'll realise quite how important it is (in terms of sending messages of reassurance to their major institutional shareholders) to bin Brooks at a time of their own choosing, rather than while the public are calling for it, so unless things become untenable, she'll be safe at least until any criminal proceedings start (at which time she'll discover she's infected with early-onset Saundersitis and retire on a fat pension).

 

[laptop]

This time of the year is normally known as the 'Silly Season' in Fleet Street.

The official beginning of the Silly Season is the first day of the Parliamentary recess

 

[marty21]

Muclaire (can't remember the spelling) the hacker who did actually serve time, was doorstepped by the media yesterday - said he couldn't comment further and asked them to respect his privacy - immense lol

 

[agricola]

But, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, I think by dylans, they were not caught red handed and their investigators have now had plenty of time to shred the evidence.

Dylans was wrong though - they were caught red handed, and doing stuff that was far worse than what News Corp were doing with Mulcaire.

 

[Zabo]

Erm... The report is about the police investigation. Is that pure conjecture also in your mind?

How the fuck anyone can be so dumb as to equate all this with 'silly season' is unbelievable.

Instead of being stupid why don't you address the facts or rather lack of? Where is the evidence to say that they hacked into military families phones? It's nothing but emotional conjecture worthy of The Sun and News Of The World.

The article is indicative of what gets printed in the silly season - anything goes.

 

[pk]

Muclaire (can't remember the spelling) the hacker who did actually serve time, was doorstepped by the media yesterday - said he couldn't comment further and asked them to respect his privacy - immense lol

Anyone got an address for this cunt??

I've a phone he might want to buy.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Instead of being stupid why don't you address the facts or rather lack of? Where is the evidence to say that they hacked into military families phones? It's nothing but emotional conjecture worthy of The Sun and News Of The World.

The article is indicative of what gets printed in the silly season - anything goes.

There is a police investigation - FACT.

The reporters were simply asking for reactions to that FACT.

It may well be being used as emotional stirring stick by Murdoch's competitors, but it is FACT that there is a police investigation. The investigation is the news.

 

[laptop]

It's nothing but emotional conjecture.

No it's not. It's a charge levelled at News International on the basis of evidence. You'd like the corporation to be tried in secret, perhaps, and allow no discussion until after the Supreme Court has ruled? Or do you think you're the Supreme Court?

 

[agricola]

Instead of being stupid why don't you address the facts or rather lack of? Where is the evidence to say that they hacked into military families phones? It's nothing but emotional conjecture.

The article is indicative of what gets printed in the silly season - anything goes.

MPs found that members of HM Forces had had their phones hacked last year. We know that the Sun, at least, has behaved badly towards the family members of service personnel in the past.

 

[Zabo]

Nobody is denying that there is a police enquiry taking place but that article is nothing but conjecture. Prosecutions are not based on conjecture but fact and evidence. I can't find one piece of evidence in that article.

The Police have been contacting people who may have had their phone messages hacked.

Correct

 

[pk]

Instead of being stupid why don't you address the facts or rather lack of? Where is the evidence to say that they hacked into military families phones? It's nothing but emotional conjecture worthy of The Sun and News Of The World.

The article is indicative of what gets printed in the silly season - anything goes.

Bollocks. They hacked the phones of anyone they wanted. You think they'd stop at military families or 7/7 victims???

No, this is going all the way.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Precisely. Nobody wants to be a slave to the Cohen empire.

You're all slaves to the Cohen empire, bitch!

 

[xenon]

Instead of being stupid why don't you address the facts or rather lack of? Where is the evidence to say that they hacked into military families phones? It's nothing but emotional conjecture worthy of The Sun and News Of The World.

The article is indicative of what gets printed in the silly season - anything goes.

The Police have been contacting peple who may have had their phone messages hacked. The rest of the media have then been contacted by representatives of those famlies it appears. Have you not been keeping up or you on a pathetic paper thin windup?

 

[Zabo]

pk. Nobody is arguing what they have and have not done nor the incompetence of the Met'. Some are facts others are vacuous allegations waiting for time to prove otherwise. I'd like to see you get somebody charged on conjecture.

The Police have been contacting peple who may have had their phone messages hacked.

Correct

 

[agricola]

Bollocks. They hacked the phones of anyone they wanted. You think they'd stop at military families or 7/7 victims???

No, this is going all the way.

Indeed. It is also a matter of public record that they used the dark arts on at least one victim of 9/11, for instance.

 

[weltweit]

Dylans was wrong though - they were caught red handed, and doing stuff that was far worse than what News Corp were doing with Mulcaire.

Thanks for that, it makes an interesting read.

...
The newspapers who commissioned this activity were never prosecuted and attempts to prosecute Whittamore's network ended in fiasco with Whittamore and three others receiving conditional discharges, and a trial of other members collapsing before it even started.

 

[bi0boy]

Bollocks. They hacked the phones of anyone they wanted. You think they'd stop at military families or 7/7 victims???

No, this is going all the way.

Yeah phone hacking is as bad as computer hacking. These people deserve some serious jail time.

 

[DrRingDing]

From SabCat.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, News International Distribution Ltd only handles distribution to the 130+ wholesaler depots, not direct to the retailers.

There's only about 5 independent wholesale depots, something like 97% of the market is in the hands of WHSmith & J. Menzies'.

I'm surprised.
Back when Wapping happened, and for at least 10 years after (after which I stopped keeping track), not only did NI have their own fleet for street deliveries, the unionised wholesalers (i.e. Smiths and Menzies) wouldn't handle any NI rags, even Today once NI bought it from Shah.

 

[pk]

It's Menzie's group (HQ in Edinburgh and massive distribution warehouse in Ashford, Kent) and WHSmiths that is doing the deliveries.

 

[agricola]

Arrests imminent, according to the Standard.

 

[dylans]

Dylans was wrong though - they were caught red handed, and doing stuff that was far worse than what News Corp were doing with Mulcaire.

That article doesn't mention which papers were recieving information from Whittamore and others it but it does note that

The 1998 Data Protection Act would allow access to some confidential databases if the journalist were acting in the public interest. However, the public interest is not obvious in the work summaries that Whittamore listed on his weekly pay claims: "Bonking headmaster, Lonely heart, Dirty vicar, Street stars split, Miss World bonks sailor, Dodgy landlord, Judge affair, Royal maid, Witchdoctor, Footballer, TV love child, Junkie flunkie, Orgy boss, BBC gardening blunder, Hurley and Grant, EastEnders star … "

Given the above headlines I think we can hazard a guess which papers he is referring to.

 

[Ivana Nap]

Moneysavingexpert Martin Lewis and Dave Gorman have quit their columns.
http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2011/07/06/my-column-at-the-news-of-the-world/

 

[Citizen66]

Without readers there'd be no advertising.

hey, there's an idea. Instead of contacting advertisers asking them to search their conscience, we could contact the 2m readers individually instead!

 

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