Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's also bollocks, unless the government now use external vetters, because it always used to be Special
US Secret Service have their own processes. They would have a full dossier on Coulson regardless of what UK government vetting he'd been through. I doubt he would have been present in any meetings with Obama.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
All meetings under the aegis of the Civil Service (incl. the Cabinet Office) should have files that also contain a list of attendees. Haven't got a clue whether ones for matters of state security would be available under FoI legislation though. I suspect it's an excluded category.
Isnt it.
I suspect it wouldent be to hard to find a recent editorial from The Times criticising the government's decesion to increase spending on aid for developing countries.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Health Care Reforms have also not received the full attention they deserve.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Why not? Campbell attended such meetings
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you missed the bit where coulson was denied top security clearance, didn't you?
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Starry Wisdom
why don't you contact them rather than posting it up here?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you doubtless think a lot of things. how many of them have any basis in reality?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/20/andy-coulson-security-clearance-checks
looks like he was denied it so embarrassing stuff wouldn't come out in the vetting
weltweit
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Well if DV just involves being interviewed at length by security personnel I think most communications people should be able to pass it.
My understanding (from posts earlier in the thread) was that bank accounts, internet activity, friends and family were all interrrogated before subsequent interviews took place. Rather more detailed and painstaking than the recent posts suggest.
My understanding (from posts earlier in the thread) was that bank accounts, internet activity, friends and family were all interrrogated before subsequent interviews took place. Rather more detailed and painstaking than the recent posts suggest.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Oh and medical records of course....
You're right. The vast majority of the work is undertaken without your knowledge. The interviews are just a minor component.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Yeah, I am still betting on this and I have £50 on the table for the server fund if Cameron does resign over hack-gate.
I note no one else has placed their money were their mouth is.
How about it killer b, or are you not really that certain?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Right put me down for £20 for the server fund if Cameron has not resigned by the end of the year.
As I posted earlier I think the Coulsons Security clearence issue is the real faultline in Camerons story. Cameron is looking and behaving like someone who knows hes about to be dropped right in the shit and is despreately buying time with evasions, half truths and lies before the inevitable downfall.
"I'm co-operating here!"
As I posted earlier I think the Coulsons Security clearence issue is the real faultline in Camerons story. Cameron is looking and behaving like someone who knows hes about to be dropped right in the shit and is despreately buying time with evasions, half truths and lies before the inevitable downfall.
"I'm co-operating here!"
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Murdoch's Sun has covered it. Don't know about The Murdoch Times. Defence Minister Liam Fox is most vocal opponent: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3586300/PM-hits-back-in-overseas-aid-war.html
We've only talked about the Hague > Osborne > Cameron & Coulson connections to date.
Where does Liam Fox stand with regards to the hiring/firing of Coulson? Does anyone know?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I think the - frankly disgusting - Times cartoon says more about just how fucking desperate the murdoch/cameron/met cabal are to move on from this story.
The very first postings on gaurdian comment Cif from their Tory Trolls took exactly the same angle - hysteria whipped up by the lefties at the grauan and bbc, ordinary people are bored, more important things move along now.
The very first postings on gaurdian comment Cif from their Tory Trolls took exactly the same angle - hysteria whipped up by the lefties at the grauan and bbc, ordinary people are bored, more important things move along now.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I am still betting on this and I have £50 on the table for the server fund if Cameron does resign over hack-gate.
I note no one else has placed their money were their mouth is.
...
I had thought perhaps to join you in betting that Cameron will remain in office but to be honest things are going drip drip against him and while there is not yet a smoking gun the crisis keeps on giving. I think my money is better staying in my pocket
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBH I am starting to think it is more of a distraction as its currently been spun - after all, as the numerous revelations that have come to light have shown everyone at that level of politics (in both main parties, and especially in the police and security services) knew what was going on anyway, to suggest that DV "would have exposed phone hacking" misses the point - it was already exposed, just not to us - and its not as if his failing a DV check (or his admitting to it in interview) would ever have been common knowledge.
If anything, its IMHO more likely that he wasnt vetted because the security services announced to iDave that they were not going to hand over intelligence in the likelyhood that Rupert Murdoch would be publishing his version of it a day later. They had after all gone through a similar situation with Campbell et al, to the great damage of their reputation and our country (which is also why I repeat myself that a director of communications / spin doctor - who are after all political figures rather than civil servants nowadays - should never have access to secret information of this kind).
From the Wall St Journal:
"The US justice department is preparing subpoenas as part of preliminary investigations into News Corporation relating to alleged foreign bribery and alleged hacking of 9/11 victims' answerphone messages".
<replenishes bag of popcorn>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903461104576460393481721896.html
"The US justice department is preparing subpoenas as part of preliminary investigations into News Corporation relating to alleged foreign bribery and alleged hacking of 9/11 victims' answerphone messages".
<replenishes bag of popcorn>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903461104576460393481721896.html
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
But its clearly standard practice for anyone working at that level (and lower). Except in the case of Coulson. They clearly went out of their way to avoid doing so in order that Coulson would not be officailly declared 'toxic'. That is quite extraordinary behaviour and suggests they were absolutely despreate to have him at the heart of government.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've got no idea what your series of posts today mean.
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