Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[dylans]

Or cleaning up ahead of the lulzsec email release? They'll know what's in the 4 gigs they have.

I don't think there is a 4 gig email stash. I think its bullshit

 

[killer b]

I don't think there is a 4 gig email stash. I think its bullshit

You're probably right. Maybe not the best thread for groundless speculation...

 

[Kaka Tim]

I have a feeling that the whole issue of Coulson's security clearence - whilst seemingly a rather obscure issue - will cause Cameron a whole heap of trouble. Its clear that the number 10 office deliberately avoided probing into his background - for obvious reasons. It will stretch the credibility of Cameron's story - that nobody passed any info - to him to breaking point.

'So your staff deliberatly withheld info on how toxic coulson was and deliberately avoided giving him the appropriate security clearence? - Why? And why haven't you sacked those responsible?'

Seriously though - what the fuck were they thinking??!!? You'd think that even an outside chance that Coulson might have caused shit for cameron would have put him off employing him. Unbelivable stupidity. Why was he considered so valuable that they performed all these acrobatics and took such a massiver risk in employing him?

I'm now beginning to think that this will bring cameron down.

Story here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/david-cameron-andy-coulson-security-vetting

 

[ferrelhadley]

This on the sacking tonight of Sun features editor Matt Nixson.

"Matt Nixson, who has worked for the Sun for six months, was approached by four News International security guards at 6.30pm at the newspaper's office at Wapping. The guards asked him to leave the building because he was being dismissed. His computer was seized. [that'll be his Sun computer]

News International sources stressed this was standard procedure and did not indicate any wrong doing during Nixson's time at the Sun. They said the evidence indicating wrong doing related to his time at the News of the World."

blatantly desperate attempt to stop contagion to the sun, and getting rid of evidence before it comes up, dont you reckon?

Even with an instant dismissal should you not be suspended then dismissed after a hearing?

 

[DaveCinzano]

The way news international was spinning myler being a good & honourable journalist has a taste of delicious irony now. Who's going to believe murdoch over him?

Myler's got plenty of work to do to polish up his past:

1985-90 News editor, Today
1990-92 Deputy editor, Sunday Mirror
1992-94 Editor, Sunday Mirror
1994-95 Editor, Daily Mirror
1995 Managing director, Daily & Sunday Mirror
1995-98 Chief executive, Super League (Rugby League)
1998-2001 Editor, Sunday Mirror
2001-07 Executive editor, New York Post
2007-11 Editor, NOTW

He was editor at the Sunday Mirror through the period that its journalists were implicated (in surveillance material that was aired in court) in the corrupt/corrupting relationships with police officers and private detectives surrounding the Daniel Morgan murder.

 

[ferrelhadley]

4gigs of mail in an industry reliant on images?

Its not uncommon to see 1gig on a single user in exchange server.

Those fecking cats, on the server wasting the bandwidth.

 

[gabi]

Jesus christ. Is fridgemagnet autistic? Yet another thread closed for no reason.

sometimes threads pop out of other subjects, you triggerhappy nut...

 

[Santino]

The Guardian report that lulzsec won't publish the emails for fear of compromising future court cases. And then lulzsec have tweeted what looks like the mobile phone number of the tech editor of the Guardian.

I am well confused.

 

[butchersapron]

That's because he called them out on twitter earlier today. Pathetic. No wonder they're certain peoples political heroes.

 

[butchersapron]

His phone numbers on his bloody site anyway.

 

[Santino]

This makes him sound like a dick though: "@LulzSec a word to the wise: it is a bad idea to make enemies of journalists."

 

[butchersapron]

He might well be a dick, it is a bad idea to piss off the people you're supposed to be negotiating with - on either side.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There's only one way to sort out this grave tech writer/hacker kiddie spat

 

[butchersapron]

BTW, according to the FT Raynsford's Civil Servant was Tim Byles and Gus O' Donnell says they're bollocks.

 

[London_Calling]

The Guardian currently seem to have more staff on hacking than the Met (45 moving to 60) - I saw someone usually on the TV beat overseeing the live update page earlier. Can't remember a bigger political story - anyone?

First one to say Profumo gets a fake custard pie.

 

[killer b]

it's not that big a team i don't think - seems to be the same few names cropping up. the live update thing will need people to provide breaks for the regulars though, who i expect will be whoever is about at the time...

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Jesus christ. Is fridgemagnet autistic? Yet another thread closed for no reason.

sometimes threads pop out of other subjects, you triggerhappy nut...

wtf are you on about man? i don't really know why i've replied to your stark-raving-bonkers, other than morbid curiousity of the kind that makes one slow down and stare at road accidents tbh.

 

[London_Calling]

it's not that big a team i don't think

It's huge.

 

[Santino]

Lulzsec tweet this: "Charles Arthur from Guardian here. I've been illegally feeding LulzSec internal info for 3 months, then I ditched them. Someone arrest me."

 

[laptop]

Even with an instant dismissal should you not be suspended then dismissed after a hearing?

Not for gross misconduct...

 

[butchersapron]

Lulzsec tweet this: "Charles Arthur from Guardian here. I've been illegally feeding LulzSec internal info for 3 months, then I ditched them. Someone arrest me."

Embarassing

 

[invisibleplanet]

A Twitter exchange between Robert Peston and Tom Watson:

Hahaha ...

Interviewer: ''I have a question for you. What do you think about what's going on with twitter right now, and the technology craze? Do you feel it's just a phase all people go through or do you think it could last as long as other companies?''
RM: ''Right now it's something very big, and getting bigger, but these things don't last forever''
Interviewer: ''And especially news has become so popular on twitter. Where it's become a new news portal. People get their information from twitter, rather than reading a newspaper or going online, reading the blogs''
RM: ''Facebook isn't cool any longer, although it's still huge, huge''
Interviewer: ''How do you feel like it's changed the way that news is being transferred to the world?''
RM: ''Not very much. Not very much. No''

 

[editor]

Guardian editorial:

News Corp and phone hacking: Wilful blindness at the very top
If James Murdoch's evidence was wrong, it undermines all the clean broom assurances he and his father gave to parliament

On Thursday night, the two other key executives involved in the Taylor settlement directly challenged Mr Murdoch's version of events. Tom Crone – praised by James Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks as an excellent NI lawyer – and Colin Myler, the former NoW editor, said they had informed Mr Murdoch about the "for Neville" email. Shortly afterward News Corp released its own statement saying James Murdoch stood by his evidence.

The stakes could not be higher. If Mr Murdoch is wrong there are only three possible conclusions. One is that Mr Murdoch was – and remains – hopelessly unable to get to grips with the most important facts of the scandal within his own company and is therefore unfit to run any division of News Corp. The second is that Mr Murdoch, despite all his expensive legal advice and grooming for his Commons appearance, has simply lied to parliament. That, too, would be the end of his career within News Corp, or perhaps any other company. The third is that he is right and that Mr Myler and Mr Crone are mistaken.

The chairman of the committee, John Whittingdale, was quick to announce that he intended to get to the bottom of the conflict of evidence. If Mr Murdoch's evidence was wrong, it undermines all the clean broom assurances he and his father gave to parliament on Wednesday. A very great deal hangs on sorting out who is telling the truth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/21/news-corp-phone-hacking-editorial

 

[laptop]

Intriguing snippet:

some very high-level members of the Met's murder squad are worrying about how exactly such exchanges [of untraceable payment with police] were recorded in the News of the World accounts

Murder squad is new, yes?

 

[pk]

That's because he called them out on twitter earlier today. Pathetic. No wonder they're certain peoples political heroes.

Yeah. Right on. Because we are all aware of what your heroes have actually achieved this past 20 years... or are we???

Here's the latest statement from this Anonymous/Lulzsec lot anyway...


LulzSec and Anonymous Statement



Hello thar FBI and international law authorities,

We recently stumbled across the following article with amazement and a certain amount of amusement:

http://www.npr.org/2011/07/20/138555799/fbi-arrests-alleged-anonymous-hackers

The statements made by deputy assistant FBI director Steve Chabinsky in this
article clearly seem to be directed at Anonymous and Lulz Security, and we are happy to provide you with a response.

You state:

"We want to send a message that chaos on the Internet is unacceptable, [even if] hackers can be believed to have social causes, it's entirely unacceptable to break into websites and commit unlawful acts."

Now let us be clear here, Mr. Chabinsky, while we understand that you and your colleagues may find breaking into websites unacceptable, let us tell you what WE find unacceptable:

* Governments lying to their citizens and inducing fear and terror to keep them in control by dismantling their freedom piece by piece.

* Corporations aiding and conspiring with said governments while taking advantage at the same time by collecting billions of funds for federal contracts we all know they can't fulfil.

* Lobby conglomerates who only follow their agenda to push the profits higher, while at the same time being deeply involved in governments around the world with the only goal to infiltrate and corrupt them enough so the status quo will never change.

These governments and corporations are our enemy. And we will continue to fight them, with all methods we have at our disposal, and that certainly includes breaking into their websites and exposing their lies.

We are not scared any more. Your threats to arrest us are meaningless to us as you cannot arrest an idea. Any attempt to do so will make your citizens more angry until they will roar in one gigantic choir. It is our mission to help these people and there is nothing - absolutely nothing - you can possibly to do make us stop.

"The Internet has become so important to so many people that we have to ensure that the World Wide Web does not become the Wild Wild West."

Let me ask you, good sir, when was the Internet not the Wild Wild West? Do you really believe you were in control of it at any point? You were not.

That does not mean that everyone behaves like an outlaw. You see, most people do not behave like bandits if they have no reason to. We become bandits on the Internet because you have forced our hand. The Anonymous bitchslap rings through your ears like hacktivism movements of the 90s. We're back - and we're not going anywhere. Expect us.

 

[London_Calling]

Positive start to the day: Reuters/Ipsos MORI Political Monitor - July 2011:

The Reuters/Ipsos MORI Political Monitor for July – our first poll since the phone hacking scandal broke – shows that half of the public think that Prime Minister David Cameron has handled the phone hacking situation badly (52%) while a third say he has handled it well (36%). By contrast, almost half of the public think that Ed Miliband has handled the crisis well (47%) compared to a third who think he has handled it badly (35%).

This is reflected in public satisfaction with both leaders. Cameron’s satisfaction ratings have fallen and are his lowest since becoming Prime Minister (and lower than any of his ratings as leader of the Opposition since September 2007). Two in five (38%) are satisfied with the way he is doing his job as Prime Minister while half are dissatisfied (53%). Miliband’s satisfaction ratings have improved this month, although they are still negative on balance, to level Cameron’s at a similar time in his period as Opposition leader. Satisfaction with Nick Clegg remains unchanged this month.

Despite the improvement in Miliband’s personal ratings, this has had little effect on Labour’s vote share, which remains unchanged this month on 39%. The Conservatives are down 5 points to 32%, while the Liberal Democrats are unchanged at 11%.

con't

 

[Puzzled]

Chair of the Select Committee John Whittingdale, is not only Facebook friends with Elisabeth Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks, but is also a Facebook Friend of Les Hinton!

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http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=559850540&sk=friends&v=friends

 

[claphamboy]

I am loving this statement from Colin Myler & Tom Crone that James Murdoch basically lied to the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, there's no way that James would have forgotten about the contents of that e-mail.

Clearly the two of them are not expecting to be among the majority of former NotW staff to be re-employed by News Int', or just decided themselves that they didn't want to have anything more to do with the company.

Hopefully they will have a lot more to say that will drag Murdoch, Brooks, etc. further into the shitstorm.

 

[xenon]

I have a feeling that the whole issue of Coulson's security clearence - whilst seemingly a rather obscure issue - will cause Cameron a whole heap of trouble. Its clear that the number 10 office deliberately avoided probing into his background - for obvious reasons. It will stretch the credibility of Cameron's story - that nobody passed any info - to him to breaking point.

'So your staff deliberatly withheld info on how toxic coulson was and deliberately avoided giving him the appropriate security clearence? - Why? And why haven't you sacked those responsible?'

Seriously though - what the fuck were they thinking??!!? You'd think that even an outside chance that Coulson might have caused shit for cameron would have put him off employing him. Unbelivable stupidity. Why was he considered so valuable that they performed all these acrobatics and took such a massiver risk in employing him?

I'm now beginning to think that this will bring cameron down.

Story here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/david-cameron-andy-coulson-security-vetting

Because they thought someone with connections to out of the box, jounarlistic practises, might be useful. And were arrogent enough to think it would be forgotten, buried in news churn or couldn't get back directly to them. Them being Cameron and whoever advised Coulson's appointment.

 

[Puzzled]

Chair of the Select Committee John Whittingdale, is not only Facebook friends with Elisabeth Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks, but is also a Facebook Friend of Les Hinton!