Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[weltweit]

I wonder if there is going to be a new front, or rather a new openning to an old front.

It came out in the hearings that NI was paying the legal expenses of Glenn Mulcaire, Rupert Murdoch expressed disgust at that. It has been reported that NI have now ceased paying Mulcaire's legal bill and Mulcaire speaking to the press said words to the effect of : "I have nothing to say for the moment but that may change".

It seems very unlikely to me that his 4,000 hacks were all done just for Clive Goodman, royal editor at the News of the World who has already served time. In which case we might expect that Mulcaire may out the other journalists for whom he hacked.

And, when more journalists are in the frame, it seems more likely that one or another of them may cut a deal and directly implicate Coulson or Brooks neither of whom have so far been charged with any offence.

 

[London_Calling]

weltweit - You're aware of the Information Commissioner's Report published in 06?

Search for: 'What Price Privacy Now?'

 

[weltweit]

weltweit - You're aware of the Information Commissioner's Report published in 06?

Search for: 'What Price Privacy Now?'

oh, no, will search ..

 

[butchersapron]

oh, no, will search ..

What Price Privacy?

What Price Privacy Now?

Here's Nick Davies summation.

 

[weltweit]

What Price Privacy?

What Price Privacy Now?

Here's Nick Davies summation.

Yes, thanks, I have already found them on the net as it happens.

Looking at that guardian link, I have read that article before.

Not completely sure of the relevance to Glen Mulcaire and his journalist clients. The information commissioner seems to be lobbying for a custodial sentence for information crimes, a fine is all there is at the moment. But Glenn Mulcaire and Clive Goodman were sent to prison so they must have been prosecuted under some communications interception laws I would guess.

What am I missing?

 

[London_Calling]

For starters, the table on page 9 of What Price Privacy Now? (page 11 of the pdf).

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, thanks, I have already found them on the net as it happens.

Looking at that guardian link, I have read that article before.

Not completely sure of the relevance to Glen Mulcaire and his journalist clients. The information commissioner seems to be lobbying for a custodial sentence for information crimes, a fine is all there is at the moment. But Glenn Mulcaire and Clive Goodman were sent to prison so they must have been prosecuted under some communications interception laws I would guess.

What am I missing?

Half the posts on the thread

That Davies article doesn't go anywhere near any of that stuff you've just said. It doesn't mention the information commissioner lobbying for anything, it doesn't mention GM or CG. Or do you mean the two reports? In that case, you're missing just about everything.

 

[weltweit]

For starters, the table on page 9 of What Price Privacy Now? (page 11 of the pdf).

Aha, yes that is good, I have also seen that data I think (in bargraph form) embedded in this thread, it serves to indicate that the problem is not at all just NI ... with the Daily Mail being the worst offender. The data seems to have come from Operation Motorman and there have apparently been some lawsuits resulting in fines.

 

[London_Calling]

Good, now you're only 5 years behind the curve.

 

[weltweit]

Good, now you're only 5 years behind the curve.

5 ?

Steve Whittamore was raided in March 2003

 

[London_Calling]

When was the report published?

 

[weltweit]

I don't understand why this has been raised in response to my post 7441... Surely Mulcaire can implicate more than just Clive Goodman within NI and this could lead to the conviction of Coulson and or Brooks?

 

[ericjarvis]

Enjoy dinner with?

They're not inquisitors, nor were they elected to be. Even if they were rubbish it's not exactly the issue to judge them on.

They SHOULD be judged on their ability to get information from people because that is an essential part of being an MP. They are supposed to be our representatives in the corridors of power. If they can't show that they can find out the information needed to make proper decisions on our behalf then they simply aren't capable of doing their job.

 

[weltweit]

When was the report published?

Sure - 10 May 2006. And the second "What Privacy Now" 13 December 2006

 

[ericjarvis]

That would be good, other papers have had an easy ride so far. I am no great fan of NI titles but I think the focus on them alone to date leaves a bad taste.

Seconded. The News of the World has gone down. I want to see the Mail and the Standard go under next.

 

[ericjarvis]

Not really. This bloke created sympathy for Murdoch. Attacking that has got nothing to do with giving the committee respect.

Did he hell. He created a small amount of respect for Mrs Murdoch and created a tiny extra bit if business for a dry cleaners somewhere. Not a great contribution to the betterment of the human race, but not something that did Murdoch himself any good.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Did he hell.

Oh yes he did! http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=murdoch+sympathy+pie

True Justice for in front of a particularly hostile crowd armed with hard missiles. Oh, and I'd like to be close to the stage please. Perhaps we could revive it temporarily ?? I feel strongly that NO-ONE should be allowed to call themselves a comedian unless they've been through The Tunnel or an equivalent baptism of ire.
Check the fool's reasoning here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user-comments/JonnieMarbles


Returning to the use of private dicks and phone hacks by the press ...

 

[London_Calling]

They SHOULD be judged on their ability to get information from people because that is an essential part of being an MP. They are supposed to be our representatives in the corridors of power. If they can't show that they can find out the information needed to make proper decisions on our behalf then they simply aren't capable of doing their job.

People study for years, then they practice for decades, before developing the ability to crack witnesses, let alone witnesses as intelligent and well prepared as the NI crowd. Really, decades.

It diminishes the skills of people on all sides to assume it's a job for laypeople, you may as well ask them to diagnose illness, design an office block and replumb your house while they're at it.

 

[ericjarvis]

cameron looking / sounding really agitated.

He has a clear tell. He starts going red around his neck when he's blatantly lying and worried about being caught out.

 

[frogwoman]

He looked as though he wanted to murder someone. Probably, Dennis Skinner.

 

[editor]

This is the first day in over a fortnight that the news hasn't led with some aspect of this story. Not that I don't think there's more to come, of course.

 

[pk]

I very much hope that you're right, because I seriously want those emails out in front of the general public

Me too. The cops don't, News International don't, and Tory HQ don't...

 

[smokedout]

Mirror's got a (possibly slightly spurious) story about coulson hacking a civil servants voicemail whilst in post

http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/07/21/civil-servant-allegedly-had-phone-hacked-while-andy-coulson-was-in-no10-115875-23285267/

 

[belboid]

People study for years, then they practice for decades, before developing the ability to crack witnesses, let alone witnesses as intelligent and well prepared as the NI crowd. Really, decades.

It diminishes the skills of people on all sides to assume it's a job for laypeople, you may as well ask them to diagnose illness, design an office block and replumb your house while they're at it.

yeah, cos no MP has ever been a lawyer, or a journalist with years, decades, of experience of asking awakward questions. Nor do any of them have access to such people who might be able to pass on useful advice, tips, questions....

 

[belboid]

Have we been through how Cameron seems to have deliberately avoided putting Coulson through a full vetting? Seems like when he was appointed by the Party, all they did was pay sme company £150 to do a basic websearch about him!

 

[Santino]

Mirror's got a (possibly slightly spurious) story about coulson hacking a civil servants voicemail whilst in post

http://www.mirror.co.uk/2011/07/21/civil-servant-allegedly-had-phone-hacked-while-andy-coulson-was-in-no10-115875-23285267/

 

[frogwoman]

Ahh, but which company?

 

[weltweit]

Have we been through how Cameron seems to have deliberately avoided putting Coulson through a full vetting? Seems like when he was appointed by the Party, all they did was pay sme company £150 to do a basic websearch about him!

Oh, I understood he had been properly vetted for a particular level. Presumably by whateve official bosy does these things.

 

[butchersapron]

Times political writer is now saying that Control Risks were the company that Cameron refused to identify as being hired to look into Coulsen. IIRC Someone went through the torry accounts a few days ago and found them being employed to do checks on others at £140 or so a pop - i.e bottom of the barrel quick check stuff. SO it may not be that he was covering up who carried out the checks, but the shitness of the checks. That looks even more likley when tallied with the low-mid level clearance he was given - either because he wouldn't pass more stringent tests or to to protect him from further inquiry. I.e someone knew he was rotten then. Did Cameron?

 

[London_Calling]

I saw no link in that story between the civil servant and Coulson - has anyone ever suggested anywhere at any time Coulson actually did the hacking? If it was beneath his paygrade at NotW, it certainly was at No 10.

Interesting (a) that the civil servant knows who hacked him, and (b) that hacking is demonstrably seen to continue to very recently.