weltweit
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I thought you were talking about the pie thrower..
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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I thought you were talking about the pie thrower..
Voley
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Ah, I'd been hoping this was in the post.
weltweit
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Yes, I saw that, very enlightenning, however Clifford does seem quite pro NI and when I mentioned him before on this thread it was suggested that he may be being paid to speak up for them.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
What I am saying is the Parliamentary committees are intended to enhance the reputation of Parliament. Several times now, on Newsnight last night and on other news reports we have heard politicians patting themselves on the back and making precisely the point that these hearings have elevated and enhanced the status of Parliament and politicians as an institution. This is quite staggering really considering that the events of the past few weeks have demonstrated the utter corruption of Parliament by its relations to Murdoch.
When people attack the kinds of stunts that disturb these events, what they are suggesting is that these committees deserve our respect. I don't think they do.
Voley
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Not really. This bloke created sympathy for Murdoch. Attacking that has got nothing to do with giving the committee respect.
weltweit
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Slightly OT but on TV last night they showed a smallish executive jet taking off from somewhere like Farnborough and said, there he goes Rupert Murduch is leaving Britain after his appearance before the select committee. I wondered about that, assuming he would be returning to America or perhps Australia. But a small executive jet could not fly to the USA could it?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Voley
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In the eyes of some, he did, dylans. There was plenty of coverage on TV of the 'an 80 year old man was hit in the face' ilk. The committe described it as 'unnacceptable' and said he was 'courageous' to carry on being questioned.
weltweit
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Regarding the committees @dyans I was struck by how people like Watson (CMS) were billed as having focussed on the Murduch issues for a long time and being some kind of expert, yet when he had an extended period of questionning he (Watson) seemed unable to land a single blow, despite that Rupert Murduch seemed quite compliant to his interrogation.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It's a bit irrelevant given the scale of events. Young man does what young men sometimes do. Back to subject.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Oh poor Rupert he got a pie in the face. OK, he corrupted the entire political establishment and hacked a murdered girls phone but that doesn't matter cus he got a pie in the face boo hoo. Give me a break.
Yes, although I believe some of them re-fuel in Ireland.
Voley
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Saying the protestor created sympathy for Murdoch doesn't mean you have to sympathetic to him yourself.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
And that's why the pie throwing was such an utterly pointless act.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Of course they did. Big deal. Louise Mensch was outraged, Who gives a shit if she is outraged that the solemnity of her circus was disturbed? When a few black bloc types smashed up a couple of banks, the same bullshit outrage was expressed about their actions. Should we queue up to join in the condemnation? No. We should recognise that those doing the condemning are a bunch of hypocrites. As I said, I don't advocate these kinds of individualist stunts anymore than I advocate black bloc actions but I am not going to join in with the bullshit fake outrage either.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Pie Man shifted the focus with his pie, and not in a good way. So, bullshit about those opposing his actions as being somehow supportive of the system you love to hate from the comfort of your armchair is not holding any water with me, and I suspect NVP feels similarly, although I'm sure he'll confirm whether he does or not.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
Who here is joining in any outrage?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or you could ignore it and talk about the actual issues. That was two days ago and now irrelevant.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I was distracted for a couple of days; is the CPS embroiled yet or is there too much going on elsewhere?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
dylans
overlord of all acorns
They were pathetic. The Murdochs used the entire event as a reputation building exercise as did the politicians. "the most humble day of my life". I thought this guy summed it up pretty well.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/07/murdoch-circus/
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
Make a new thread about vanguardism, if you want to continue the Pie Man discussion, dylans.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Some posters on here have said they hope they throw the book at him
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Enjoy dinner with?
They're not inquisitors, nor were they elected to be. Even if they were rubbish it's not exactly the issue to judge them on.
They're not inquisitors, nor were they elected to be. Even if they were rubbish it's not exactly the issue to judge them on.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
No. I have said my bit. I just thought an alternative view needed to be expressed. We can move on now if you like
Voley
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OK, then. Well there'll be plenty of folk out there who will agree with the outrage, fake or otherwise, and this will have the effect of creating sympathy for Murdoch. That's all I'm saying. No-ones asking you to join in with it. Attacking this stunt as counterproductive has absolutely nothing to do with giving the committee respect.
Voley
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I thought it was incredible this had gone as far as it had - could just be the beginning...
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
No, I think you should make a new thread, because other people might want to reply and give their opinion, plus you won't get the broader view from this one due to limited participation and a desire not to lose sight of the matter at hand.
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