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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

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Damned if they did know, guilty

Damned if they did not know, incompetant


Personally I think the other tabloids are likely in the same boat, I bet they got up to the same tactics. But I wonder why they are not under the same spotlight.
 
Can we not just get to the point where we accept everyone - literally everyone - who has been newsworthy since at least 2002 was, of course, targeted....
 
Can we not just get to the point where we accept everyone - literally everyone - who has been newsworthy since at least 2002 was, of course, targeted....

And their relatives, friends, people who went to the same cricket match as them, etc etc.
 
Just story leads.

So they might just hack into anyone's phone any time just cos they might hear something juicy I get .. but what would they expect to hear on Milly's messages ? Or they just did it routinely anyway ? Or the coppers wanted them to ?
Sorry I won't ask again I'm sure it's obvious but it's so mind bogglingly shocking I can't see the wood for the trees.

Damned if they didn't know sounds dodgy !
 
....and if a two bit hack can get into so many peoples phone records this easily just imagine what the filth get up to.
 
I feel a bit stupid asking this but I can't seem to grasp what exactly the NOTW's motivations were for hacking into Milly's phone in the first place ? Would appreciate if someone could put me right on that no matter how obvious it is.

Gossip to sell papers.

Their ex-hack on Newsnight said that they counted the by-lines each year, and if you didn't have enough by-lines, you were out. Those that stooped lowest succeeded, with the full approval and sign-off of management to hand over what must have been millions to dodgy investigators and backhanders to sources.

This shit started soon after Murdoch took over, and Daniel Morgan takes us right back to then. He was murdered for investigating this shit, and his partner just got off because the trial collapsed due to police corruption.

Money, money, money.
 
So they might just hack into anyone's phone any time just cos they might hear something juicy I get .. but what would they expect to hear on Milly's messages ? Or they just did it routinely anyway ? Or the coppers wanted them to ?
Sorry I won't ask again I'm sure it's obvious but it's so mind bogglingly shocking I can't see the wood for the trees.

I would imagine it was to get the recordings from friends and family, also to see whether anything juicy was there, but probably mainly because they did such things out of habit.
 
If this is true then Wade's personal denial of any knowledge that she made to the Dowler family today is an outright lie.

yes but that's ok. it will doubtless come out in the investigation that news international have launched. its being run by their ceo, rebekah brooks. i hear she's very thorough
 
Can we not just get to the point where we accept everyone - literally everyone - who has been newsworthy since at least 2002 was, of course, targeted....

That's almost certainly true.

But until NI fess up to it, each case will come out one by one, pummelling away at their wall of denial. And so they should.
 
So they might just hack into anyone's phone any time just cos they might hear something juicy I get .. but what would they expect to hear on Milly's messages ? Or they just did it routinely anyway ? Or the coppers wanted them to ?
Sorry I won't ask again I'm sure it's obvious but it's so mind bogglingly shocking I can't see the wood for the trees.

Damned if they didn't know sounds dodgy !
Obv. very few stories are as straight as they seem. Besides the hacker isn't looking to solve the case, he just wants a slight angle for a headline, which in turn keeps the front page narrative going - and the public love an on going narrative with even a slight twist.
 
This shit started soon after Murdoch took over, and Daniel Morgan takes us right back to then. He was murdered for investigating this shit, and his partner just got off because the trial collapsed due to police corruption.

Money, money, money.

I dont know if you can put the Daniel Morgan murder down to this, its more likely that was down to corrupt police and private investigators themselves fearing exposure of what they were up to.
 
Obv. very few stories are as straight as they seem. Besides the hacker isn't looking to solve the case, he just wants a slight angle for a headline, which in turn keeps the front page narrative going - and the public love an on going narrative with even a slight twist.

and there may even be a suicide in the story with the amount of pressure some of the principals in the tale are under
 
I would imagine it was to get the recordings from friends and family, also to see whether anything juicy was there, but probably mainly because they did such things out of habit.

Sure, but the targetting of that detective was a bit more sinister - outwardly at least. Witness protection instigated to cover tittle tattle? Maybe. I don't know the workings of these things, but it doesn't sound as trivial as that.
 
Newsnight team must be writing and re-writing tonight... would love to be a fly on the wall in their office as they busily try to keep up in time for tonight's programme. One hour to go folks. Reckon NI will field a representative? Probably one who'll just go "we can neither confirm or deny"... Then Paxman gets a gun out... (sorry, carried away there ;) )

simon greenberg. his interview with jon snow on c4 news was a car crash of epic proportions. they wouldn't let paxo near him after that.
he seems deeply unsuited to pr, coming across as smug, odious and deluded
 
Personally I think the other tabloids are likely in the same boat, I bet they got up to the same tactics. But I wonder why they are not under the same spotlight.

isnt most of the information coming from mulcaire's many thousands of pages of meticulous notes? i would have thought any other tabloids / private investigators doing the same would have made sure they have destroyed all incriminating evidence by now
 
isnt most of the information coming from mulcaire's many thousands of pages of meticulous notes? i would have thought any other tabloids / private investigators doing the same would have made sure they have destroyed all incriminating evidence by now

Yes, I suppose that is a good point.

But, also, did Mulcaire only work for News International?
 
Why has this only just come out now? Surely they must have known fairly quickly that someone who was not Milly Dowler had been accessing her voicemail. Is it massively cynical of me to think that the police knew it was a paper, and thought they'd just let it lie?
 
I dont know if you can put the Daniel Morgan murder down to this, its more likely that was down to corrupt police and private investigators themselves fearing exposure of what they were up to.

The News of the World were following Daniel Morgan whilst the police had him under surveillance. The police put him in witness protection because of it. His partner, John Rees, was selling information from police contacts to the tabloids. He ended up with an axe in his head, and John Rees got off because the police deliberately fucked up the investigation.

Of course it started back then. Shortly after Murdoch got into the tabloid business here.
 
Why has this only just come out now? Surely they must have known fairly quickly that someone who was not Milly Dowler had been accessing her voicemail. Is it massively cynical of me to think that the police knew it was a paper, and thought they'd just let it lie?
not really
 
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