Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Ted Striker]

Hunts doing pretty well tbf, holding his own at the box - only slip was to mention his Japanese eating monkeys!

 

[agricola]

The stuff about Brown is from 2006 right. So this is more info that the police have sat on for years. Why is this coming out now. Is someone leaking from within the police? I asked the same question in relation to the Milly Dowler phone hacking and still don't really get it. What is the source of all this stuff?

This latest stuff is from Brown himself, and he has known about it for some time.

 

[butchersapron]

Summation of brown stuff

Journalists from across News International repeatedly targeted the former prime minister Gordon Brown, attempting to access his voicemail and obtaining information from his bank account, his legal file as well as his family's medical records.

There is also evidence that a private investigator used a serving police officer to trawl the police national computer for information about him.

 

[WWWeed]

It is our belief that information that has appeared in the media today is part of a deliberate campaign to undermine the investigation into the alleged payments by corrupt journalists to corrupt police officers and divert attention from elsewhere.

At various meetings over the last few weeks information was shared with us by News International and their legal representatives and it was agreed by all parties that this information would be kept confidential so that we could pursue various lines of inquiry, identify those responsible without alerting them and secure best evidence.

However we are extremely concerned and disappointed that the continuous release of selected information - that is only known by a small number of people - could have a significant impact on the corruption investigation.

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur11/page04.htm

The shit storm thickens.....

 

[rorymac]

The 9/11 hacking story is started to be picked up by more US media now. If any of this gets to stick, it could really hurt Murdoch, although the story's credibility is damaged by it only having one source (the Mirror) so far.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/were_911_victim.php

It's impossible not to believe it now .. especially when (or if tbf) the details of the 3 English people who died were specifically asked for !
Come on the US !!

 

[London_Calling]

This is great. The focus really must be on the Met as much as Murdoch.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Interesting tweet from jon snow:

Hunt refers BSkyB take over to Competition Commission -imasculated by Labour Govt by the removal of 'fit&proper' and 'public interest' tests

 

[agricola]

This is great. The focus really must be on the Met as much as Murdoch.

It will be, though the Met at least have the advantage of actually trying to do something about it before now.

 

[temper_tantrum]

This is great. The focus really must be on the Met as much as Murdoch.

I know someone linked to it a while ago, but it's worth re-posting:
http://transpont.blogspot.com/2011/07/power-corruptions-and-lies.html

 

[butchersapron]

It will be, though the Met at least have the advantage of actually trying to do something about it before now.

In what way?

Why were the guardian helping Cameron get away with/avoid this? (not directed to ag)

 

[dylans]

This latest stuff is from Brown himself, and he has known about it for some time.

So have we. They were published stories. November 30th 2006.

Am I missing something here? Did noone ask where they got this information from at the time?

 

[Ted Striker]

You've got to lol at the thought of the dude in front of the mirror at his home, perfecting his best GB impression to phone up the bank to access his bank details

If it wasn't so morally bankrupt (for every sideways laugh, the though of 'Kah phoning GB to tell him about his Son turned my stomach a bit - just how does that conversation go?) Journalism sounds like a right interesting game to get into!

 

[butchersapron]

So have we. They were published stories. November 30th 2006.

Am I missing something here? Did noone ask where they got this information from at the time?

It's easy to assume that stuff about people like brown comes from brown. That's not a failure of investigation.

 

[WWWeed]

It will be, though the Met at least have the advantage of actually trying to do something about it before now.

Which is what I am personally more outraged by than the phone hacking. However you look at it, it is completely outrageous that these issues have been reported so often and for so long. It just highlights the systematic failure and corruption of the met police force.

I keep wondering what else the met are ignoring/hiding...

 

[rorymac]

He is right though, or at least he is a lot more right than a party who deliberately ignored everything that went on for at least eight years, and yet who now harp on about how bad it is. Also that point of Milibands about tampering with evidence must surely be one of the most mindbendingly idiotic things ever heard in the Commons.

I get what you're saying re tory/new labour .. I doubt any socialist minded person on earth wouldn't end of imo

 

[dylans]

It's easy to assume that stuff about people like brown comes from brown. That's not a failure of investigation.

Well didn't Brown think to ask "hold on a minute, how the fuck did they get my son's confidential medical information?

 

[agricola]

In what way?

For a start there is Motorman and the Goodman / Mulcaire case, then you also have the issues around the Morgan investigation and the rumoured meeting with Brooks.

Of course this was not sufficient (as we are now seeing), but it was considerably more than what various Governments had done up until these last two weeks - and perhaps the fact as to why it wasnt sufficient is explained, to a degree, by the deliberate lack of interest shown by very senior political figures, even with regards to offences against themselves and their families.

 

[butchersapron]

Well didn't Brown think to ask "hold on a minute, how the fuck did they get my son's confidential medical information?

Of course he did. Hence today.

 

[ymu]

Hunt has had to state publically that Cameron is a 'decent and honourable man'.

Is Cameron fucked?

That was in response to Straw asking them to provide an evidenced timeline for who said what to whom and when.

ie "Evidence? Who needs evidence when Dave is a decent and honourable man? What a silly thing to suggest. His word is better than any amount of evidence. Pfft!"

 

[butchersapron]

Well didn't Brown think to ask "hold on a minute, how the fuck did they get my son's confidential medical information?

You miss the point btw, it that's Brown let this out. If the assumption is that, then who would follow it up?

 

[dylans]

Of course he did. Hence today.

yeah of course he did. So basically he chose not to make this public until today. He also had evidence of phone hacking in the highest levels of government and, along with the police he chose to do nothing about it. He stayed quiet for 5 years, until today? Is that what this means or am I being dim here because something just seems fucking odd. We know that in the Milly Dowler case, the police knew for years and did nothing, but the victims were in the dark, but in this case we are looking at a situation where the victim (brown) and the cops both decided to keep this information quiet?

 

[dylans]

You miss the point btw, it that's Brown let this out. If the assumption is that, then who would follow it up?

The assumption from the public? yeah. But Brown knew he didn't right? He knew someone was sniffing around his child's confidential medical information. So the question is why did Brown decide to keep this quiet? More fear of Murdoch's career ending power?

 

[ymu]

Interesting tweet from jon snow:

That's the nub of it. They're all going down.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

yeah of course he did. So basically he chose not to make this public until today. He also had evidence of phone hacking in the highest levels of government and, along with the police he chose to do nothing about it. He stayed quiet for 5 years, until today? Is that what this means or am I being dim here because something just seems fucking odd. We know that in the Milly Dowler case, the police knew for years and did nothing but in this case we are looking at a situation where the victim (brown) and the cops both decided to keep this information quiet?

It's a measure of the power NI wielded - that Brown felt that he could not say or do anything for fear that NI would turn on him.

 

[agricola]

It's a measure of the power NI wielded - that Brown felt that he could not say or do anything for fear that NI would turn on him.

Its a bit more than that - he went to various functions, including Rebekah Brooks wedding.

 

[butchersapron]

The assumption from the public? yeah. But Brown knew he didn't right? He knew someone was sniffing around his child's confidential medical information. So the question is why did Brown decide to keep this quiet? More fear of Murdoch's career ending power?

Now you're getting there.

 

[dylans]

It's a measure of the power NI wielded - that Brown felt that he could not say or do anything for fear that NI would turn on him.

Yes, that's what I was getting at. I just wanted to clarify that my assumption that Brown has kept this information quiet until today was correct and I wasn't missing something.

 

[butchersapron]

Its a bit more than that - he went to various functions, including Rebekah Brooks wedding.

Same thing. He knew what they were doing yet he constructed a political model in which they did what he said. And that placed moral cowards like him in this position

 

[ymu]

yeah of course he did. So basically he chose not to make this public until today. He also had evidence of phone hacking in the highest levels of government and, along with the police he chose to do nothing about it. He stayed quiet for 5 years, until today? Is that what this means or am I being dim here because something just seems fucking odd. We know that in the Milly Dowler case, the police knew for years and did nothing, but the victims were in the dark, but in this case we are looking at a situation where the victim (brown) and the cops both decided to keep this information quiet?

Blackmail doesn't need to be explicit (although it often was, according to some worms that have turned).

 

[agricola]

Same thing. He knew what they were doing yet he constructed a political model in which they did what he said.

Thats too generous to Brown. Personally I think it would be closer to say that he accepted what they were doing to him and his family in order to his achieve his wider aims.