Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[littlebabyjesus]

Thats too generous to Brown. Personally I think it would be closer to say that he accepted what they were doing to him and his family in order to his achieve his wider aims.

Same thing in the end.

 

[agricola]

Same thing in the end.

It isnt not though - Murdochs aim was to make money, Browns was to run the country in the way that he wanted.

 

[laptop]

It is our belief that information that has appeared in the media today is part of a deliberate campaign to undermine the investigation into the alleged payments by corrupt journalists to corrupt police officers and divert attention from elsewhere.

At various meetings over the last few weeks information was shared with us by News International and their legal representatives and it was agreed by all parties that this information would be kept confidential so that we could pursue various lines of inquiry, identify those responsible without alerting them and secure best evidence.

However we are extremely concerned and disappointed that the continuous release of selected information - that is only known by a small number of people - could have a significant impact on the corruption investigation.

http://www.met.police.uk/pressbureau/Bur11/page04.htm

The shit storm thickens.....

That's a very direct accusation that News International is attempting to interfere (at least) with the course of justice.

I'm guessing, between the likes, that the Met refers to an attempt by NI to change the subject from their own crimes to bent Royal Protection coppers...

 

[dylans]

Now you're getting there.

Yeah. Got it, The obscene level of corruption and outright cowardice is so blatant and enormous, that I had to shake my head and check that I wasn't missing something here. So Brown is so afraid of NI that he learns that they are snooping around in the most intimate details of his sick children's lives and he does nothing. All out of fear that big scary Murdoch may write nasty things about him and change their support to the Tories... So he does nothing, he bites his tongue, he sits on his hands .....and then...... They turn on him in the middle of the Labour Party conference and attack him anyway. WOW.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It isnt not though - Murdochs aim was to make money, Browns was to run the country in the way that he wanted.

Is Murdoch's aim money? I dunno. I would guess that he's at least as motivated by power. Brown's aim was to get into and then stay in power, surely, little more than that.

 

[mack]

Was Brown worried about other rumours about him? hence feeling pretty powerless to go for them?

 

[butchersapron]

Is Murdoch's aim money? I dunno. I would guess that he's at least as motivated by power. Brown's aim was to get into and then stay in power, surely, little more than that.

It's got very little to with murdoch.

 

[agricola]

Is Murdoch's aim money? I dunno. I would guess that he's at least as motivated by power. Brown's aim was to get into and then stay in power, surely, little more than that.

No, I think money and getting more of it is his main aim, and whilst he might have had a lust of power its not as if he actually had to do anything - both main parties were desperately scrambling around for his affection anyway.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Was Brown worried about other rumours about him? hence feeling pretty powerless to go for them?

Doubt it. More worried about NI turning on Labour, I would guess. I may be wrong, but Brown has always struck me as a scandal-free kind of character - scandal of the kiss-and-tell variety at least.

 

[butchersapron]

Was Brown worried about other rumours about him? hence feeling pretty powerless to go for them?

This wasn't a rumour.

 

[butchersapron]

What other rumours?

 

[laptop]

Psychiatric rumours?

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah. Got it, The obscene level of corruption and outright cowardice is so blatant and enormous, that I had to shake my head and check that I wasn't missing something here. So Brown is so afraid of NI that he learns that they are snooping around in the most intimate details of his sick children's lives and he does nothing. All out of fear that big scary Murdoch may write nasty things about him and change their support to the Tories... So he does nothing, he bites his tongue, he sits on his hands .....and then...... They turn on him in the middle of the Labour Party conference and attack him anyway. WOW.

I have to admit I'm having trouble getting my head around this too

 

[DaveCinzano]

Congratulations to this thread - one week old today at 5:33pm - nearly 100 pages, more than 3,700 posts, the News Of The World has gone, News International share prices are dropping, bent cops are still being named along with corrupt private detectives, there's preening politicians under the cosh, dodgy journalists on the back foot, links to murder and interfering with a child murder investigation, there's phone hacking and computer hacking, social engineering and social climbing; stolen medical records, business accounts and tax statements; crime victims, MPs, royals, celebs - all targeted, and more being announced all the time…

Basically something for everyone to get on board with

 

[butchersapron]

Psychiatric rumours?

Not sure howthey'd effect a court case against anyone. Are they generally admissible?

 

[frogwoman]

This wasn't a rumour.

what was he worried about? i have to say im quite confused ... sorry !

 

[AKA pseudonym]

keep the pressure on where it matters... hit the money...

‎'Dear AKA,

Thank you for your email.

Just to clarify our position, we have no advertising planned with News International publications at the moment – we will review this once the investigation is complete.

Regards,

Cara
Corporate PR Manager'

That's Shopdirect -

 

[Barking_Mad]

Anonymous threatening to hack the Met and/or release material according to Guardian.

 

[mack]

There was always the "gay rumour"

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-7501.html/

 

[AKA pseudonym]

news corp stock now ‎-7.46

 

[laptop]

Not sure howthey'd effect a court case against anyone. Are they generally admissible?

I thought the question was "what other rumours was Brown afraid News International would pursue - or stand up - if he complained publicly about the building society and/or medical records intrusion?"

If that wasn't the question, beg pardon.

If there were to have been something in the rumours about him being in the care of a psychiatrist, that'd explain a lot.

The other explanation is simply generalised fear of Murdoch - and now he's getting his revenge in by pointing out that it's not just the NotW, it's all the (Murdoch) papers, case far from closed with shutting the NotW.

 

[krtek a houby]

You'd have to be made of strong stuff to not wish to confide in a therapist/counsellor etc when you consider how Brown was ridiculed by the press and the people...

 

[Idris2002]

Weren't Blair's people spinning that Brown was 'nutter' from a very early point in the Nulabor era?

 

[dylans]

I have to admit I'm having trouble getting my head around this too

Yes because it's massive. We are used to accepting a kind of symbiotic relationship between the media and the executive with each needing the other and being reliant on the other, with the media manufacturing consent, to use Chomsky's phrase and serving as a propaganda tool for the state, but what we are witnessing the past week is the revealing of the total distortion of that relationship into one that is completely one sided. A relationship of the dominance of corporate media power over the elected executive and even the police. Murdoch, through political intimidation, has been free to act as king maker (and even if he hasn't, he has been able to convince the political elites that he has, which amounts to the same thing) and as a result has been able to operate with legal impunity even to the extent of being able to spy on the prime ministers family's (or Chancellor at the time) most intimate medical record, bank details and phone calls and the PM does nothing? Absolutely incredible.

 

[dylans]

what was he worried about? i have to say im quite confused ... sorry !

He was worried about Murdoch doing exactly what Murdoch did do. dumping Labour and supporting the Tories. The irony is, Brown did as he was told, gave the bully his lunch money and Murdoch fucked him anyway.

 

[krtek a houby]

Weren't Blair's people spinning that Brown was 'nutter' from a very early point in the Nulabor era?

And others put forth the notion that Blair was mad... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/dec/01/uk.highereducation

I remember reading in PE or NS that Campbell allegedly threatened the careers of journos putting forth the said notion...

 

[two sheds]

It would be nice if, looking back in a year's time, NI was seen as another Enron.

 

[butchersapron]

And others put forth the notion that Blair was mad... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/dec/01/uk.highereducation

I remember reading in PE or NS that Campbell allegedly threatened the careers of journos putting forth the said notion...

What is your point here?

 

[butchersapron]

Evidence of illegal data checks on Gordon Brown buried by 2005 ruling

An unexpected ruling by a judge six years ago effectively covered up the chance to publicly expose evidence of the illegal targeting of Gordon Brown, which had been unearthed by a startled team of provincial detectives.


Operation Reproof, by Plymouth police, revealed the first of what became many systematic attempts to gain illegal confidential information on the prime minister and his family, but their findings were suppressed.


The Guardian has now been able to document the facts.

My bold

 

[dylans]

Evidence of illegal data checks on Gordon Brown buried by 2005 ruling

Wow so now we have the whole shebang. The executive, the police and now the judiciary, all implicated in covering up for Murdoch, can things possibly get any dirtier?

An unexpected ruling by a judge six years ago effectively covered up the chance to publicly expose evidence of the illegal targeting of Gordon Brown, which had been unearthed by a startled team of provincial detectives.

Operation Reproof, by Plymouth police, revealed the first of what became many systematic attempts to gain illegal confidential information on the prime minister and his family, but their findings were suppressed.......

The targets included the then chancellor of the exchequer, listed by his full name, James Gordon Brown and date of birth, as well as two other Labour politicians.

They were the chancellor's close colleague, the agriculture minister Nick Brown, plus the embattled MP for Reading West, Martin Salter, who at the time of the PNC break-in, had been publicly put on an "enemies list" by the then News of the World editor, Rebekah Brooks.

(yes)