Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[butchersapron]

Wonderful stuff.

Whats that chinese saying about if you wait long enough on the riverbank the bodies of your enemies will float past

It's

if you wait long enough on the riverbank the bodies of your enemies will float past

 

[Kaka Tim]

The Sun and the Sunday Times and News of the World all now implicated - this is the end of news international.

I'm assuming Brown is only speaking about this now becasue the info was about to come out. Which means he did nothing about in the past depiste clear knowledge that he was being fucked over. So what did they have on him?

I think unitl this scandal broke people assumed that politicians sucked up to murdoch and never ever did anything agasint becasue of fear of the influence of his newspapers in turning the pbulic agasint their party.

Now its becoming clear that a large part of it was becasue they had everyone under survilence and were using that info to blackmail individuals throughout the political system - industrial scale balckmail carried out by a huge media organsiation for the past 20 years with the collusion of the cops.

Its up there with watergate. Its fucking jaw dropping.

I think even rupert may end up before a judge now.

 

[Belushi]

In the light of all these revelations, it's almost easy to lose perspective but what the fuck was the Sun doing illegally accessing the medical records of Brown's disabled child? It's obscene.

And reporting that the little girl was dying, thats fucking disgusting.

 

[sleaterkinney]

It's certainly got legs (this whole story)

 

[London_Calling]

Most of his business is in the US, though. NI is becoming more trouble than it's worth. If he can shed it, and delay the BSkyB bid in the meantime, he can get what he really wants (ie. BSkyB). He's through with UK print journalism. Tactical retreat in full effect.

*Squeaks*

 

[Steel Icarus]

Extraordinary day. And I've only just tuned into any of it.

 

[London_Calling]

It's certainly got legs (this whole story)

Ain't she!

/Cool Lester Smooth

 

[sleaterkinney]

BBC told medical records of Gordon Browns son with cystic fibrosis illegally obtained + info then published by the Sun when Brooks in charge

 

[butchersapron]

Extraordinary day. And I've only just tuned into any of it.

Got a whole year of this yet.

 

[butchersapron]

BBC told medical records of Gordon Browns son with cystic fibrosis illegally obtained + info then published by the Sun when Brooks in charge

On holiday surely?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Full Met Police statement on leaks in the #NOTW #phonhacking case: It is our belief that information that has appeared in the media today is part of a deliberate campaign to undermine the investigation into the alleged payments by corrupt journalists to corrupt police officers and divert attention from elsewhere.

At various meetings over the last few weeks information was shared with us by News International and their legal representatives and it was agreed by all parties that this information would be kept confidential so that we could pursue various lines of inquiry, identify those responsible without alerting them and secure best evidence.

However we are extremely concerned and disappointed that the continuous release of selected information - that is only known by a small number of people - could have a significant impact on the corruption investigation.

 

[ymu]

So if they sell NI, and fail to get BSkyB, Murdoch will be down to just 31% of that, and nothing else in the UK?

Presumably, they'd rather lose the deal because of the CC and not because OfCom declare them unfit. The former means no BSkyB takeover, the latter means selling all their current broadcast media holdings and being barred from future ownership.

 

[temper_tantrum]

*Squeaks*

Question is, who's buying? In these circumstances, it looks like a fire sale. I heard a rumour that Sue Douglas was getting a deal together to re-start the NOTW. Whether she could get the finance to buy NI wholesale is another thing, though.

Edit: Worth noting that the CC will have a much weaker case once NewsCorp sheds NI. The BSkyB deal will go through as a result. Unless the 'fit & proper persons' test is evoked of course. But RM wants BSkyB. He's done with newspapers, they're not his priority anymore. They've got him where he is today, but there's no money in them. He has bigger fish to fry.

 

[butchersapron]

Mason says, this way he avoids the 'fit and proper' test.

 

[London_Calling]

BBC told medical records of Gordon Browns son with cystic fibrosis illegally obtained + info then published by the Sun when Brooks in charge

By whom.... it's looking like it's coming from various sources now.

It's becoming a giant bush fire set in a dozen places.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I heard a rumour that Sue Douglas was getting a deal together to re-start the NOTW.

I was wondering if someone might do that. It's a big name, and if they could spin the "new owners" line...?

 

[editor]

Full list of known hacking victims here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/sep/10/phone-hacking-victims-list

 

[gavman]

What you're talking about would be as generative of ignorance as your own experiences, though. However you legislate it, you'd be removing a source of information, and I don't just mean the information known as "news" that is represented to us via the media, I mean also the information that you become aware of through your own experiences of the media - that political, economic and social biases and prejudices exist; that the media isn't an impartial purveyor, it's a biased mediator; that as above, so below.

my question

how many people go on to attain this level of critical thinking and source awareness?

clearly for someone as brilliant as you it was inevitable. is that true for everyone?
i remember being taught to assess different sources as part of o-level history. lots of kids didn't do o-level history, and of those that did many never developed the ability to think critically about the perspectives they were offered.
so what to some was a springboard to greater insight, for others was a barrier never surmounted. many people still believe what they read in the paps

and regarding the abstract nature of impartiality, uk broadcasters seem to do a better job than print media most of the time, so i don't believe it's anything like as problematic as you suggest

 

[temper_tantrum]

NOTW re-launch plan:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/plan-emerges-to-re-launch-news-of-the-world.html

Rumour that Richard Desmond wants NI (he's tried in the past). Can't see that one working - I thought he was slowly reducing his print interests?

 

[agricola]

Now its becoming clear that a large part of it was becasue they had everyone under survilence and were using that info to blackmail individuals throughout the political system - industrial scale balckmail carried out by a huge media organsiation for the past 20 years with the collusion of the cops.

At the risk of repeating myself, it is a mistake to assume this has been going on "with the collusion of the cops". From the Guardian's Brown article:

In 2003, Devon and Cornwall police discovered that one of their junior officers was providing information from the police national computer to a network of private investigators. The Guardian has established that one of these investigators, Glen Lawson of Abbey Investigations in Newcastle upon Tyne, used this contact to commission a search of police records for information about Brown on 16 November 2000. Lawson also commissioned searches related to two other Labour MPs – Nick Brown and Martin Salter.

Lawson made these searches on behalf of journalists, a previously unreported court hearing was told. Transcripts obtained by the Guardian show that the search on Martin Salter was made at a time when the News of the World, then edited by Brooks, was attacking him for refusing to support the paper's notorious "Sarah's law" campaign to name paedophiles. Lawson currently refuses to name the journalists who commissioned him.

An attempt to prosecute this network was blocked by a West Country judge, Paul Darlow, who shocked police by ruling that it would be a misuse of public money to pursue the case. However, Devon and Cornwall police contacted the office of the then chancellor to warn him that he had been a victim, as they also did with his two Labour colleagues.

Similar things ruined the Motorman investigation, plus of course (as that article makes clear) even the victim of this did not, apparently, want to make any kind of issue of it at all.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Murdoch has got plently of front

The dumping of the NotW reduces his media footprint enough to get CC approval.

If it doesnt get through, Murdoch will take the matter to court & claim that the decision was political rather than based on the ethos of competition.

NotW is still going down and taking everyone with it and seeming sucking more in as it goes under. Murdoch beleives this gives him a clean slate, as his other businesses will not be connected to this particular problem.Brooks and the other twats will take the shit to ensure the rest of his fleet remain afloat.

And you know the worst thing - if it does go to Court following a CC rebuttal, he will likely win.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Hunt on Radio 5 now http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/c​onsole/bbc_radio_five_live in the commons

 

[London_Calling]

Edit: Worth noting that the CC will have a much weaker case once NewsCorp sheds NI. The BSkyB deal will go through as a result. Unless the 'fit & proper persons' test is evoked of course. But RM wants BSkyB. He's done with newspapers, they're not his priority anymore. They've got him where he is today, but there's no money in them. He has bigger fish to fry.

He's gambling of course. Perhaps the bigger question will become whether Cameron can be 'persuaded' to tell him to feck off regardless of the CC, and OFCOM hoops....

 

[butchersapron]

my question

how many people go on to attain this level of critical thinking and source awareness?

clearly for someone as brilliant as you it was inevitable. is that true for everyone?
i remember being taught to assess different sources as part of o-level history. lots of kids didn't do o-level history, and of those that did many never developed the ability to think critically about the perspectives they were offered.
so what to some was a springboard to greater insight, for others was a barrier never surmounted. many people still believe what they read in the paps

and regarding the abstract nature of impartiality, uk broadcasters seem to do a better job than print media most of the time, so i don't believe it's anything like as problematic as you suggest

What level oh master? Of what does your level CONSIST of?

 

[temper_tantrum]

He's gambling of course. Perhaps the bigger question will become whether Cameron can be 'persuaded' to tell him to feck off regardless of the CC, and OFCOM hoops....

He's always gambling, business IS a gamble. This is the best tactic in the circs, though. A bold amputation to stop the gangrene from spreading.
Edit: The most important thing right now for RM is to isolate this within his UK business. He absolutely has to protect his overseas interests. The level of media coverage this was getting in the US and Australia has probably been a major worry, particularly with this lawsuit from US shareholders.

 

[Badgers]

Hunt referring to Competition Commission

 

[gavman]

You might as well define it as taking pleasure in the failure of gardeners. It doesn't mean that though gav.

'satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.' dictionary.com

over to you

 

[butchersapron]

Business isn't a gamble, it a slow grinding out of other people lives for your own benefit.

The relation between institutions is what counts now, not the institutions. Who grasses first.

 

[ymu]

my question

how many people go on to attain this level of critical thinking and source awareness?

clearly for someone as brilliant as you it was inevitable. is that true for everyone?
i remember being taught to assess different sources as part of o-level history. lots of kids didn't do o-level history, and of those that did many never developed the ability to think critically about the perspectives they were offered.
so what to some was a springboard to greater insight, for others was a barrier never surmounted. many people still believe what they read in the paps

and regarding the abstract nature of impartiality, uk broadcasters seem to do a better job than print media most of the time, so i don't believe it's anything like as problematic as you suggest

People aren't as stupid as you think. It's not about believing the dominant narrative, it's about squeezing out space for anything else, including providing a conveniently safe anti-establishment narrative.

This is useful, as it the interview it dissects.

UK broadcast media are subject to a different set of regulations to the print media, BTW.

 

[editor]

'satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.' dictionary.com

over to you

Cab you take this dull and irrelevant petty spat off this thread please? In case you missed it, there's real, world-changing news going on. Thanks.