Milo Yiannoupoulis banned!

[frogwoman]

Milo Yiannopoulos On Pedophilia And 'This Arbitrary And Oppressive Idea Of Consent' | The Huffington Post


liberal homophobia strikes again, i mean look at this beauty

One of the most difficult things to understand about the whole Milo phenomenon has been how a bitchy gay queen like Milo can sashay his way into right-wing superstardom while greeting conservative audiences with a big “Hello Faggots!” and relentelssly carrying on about all the black dick that his been in his mouth.

The deeper question here is how all of this went as far as it did before the contradictions exploded. Which leads us into the bizarre world of gay men, Trump, and the alt-right.

It is well-known, for example, that billionaire internet entrepreneur Peter Thiel was the first openly gay man to address a Republican convention, and did so to endorse Trump, for which he received a rousing ovation. And there was the creepily intimate Trump-Thiel hand caress at Trump’s “tech summit” with Silicon Valley big shots.

am i the only one starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with this feeding frenzy (which was initiated by members of the alt-right themselves and is the sort of thing he's himself done) tbh? these comments iirc was in the context of him talking about when he was abused as a kid and his feelings towards the people that abused him. he's a complete dick and deserves all he gets, but in the aftermath of an event like that people often repress it and justify their abusers actions. i dunno it just sounds like the sort of thing someone would say to them selves to convince themselves 'well blah blah blah happened and you know what it didn't do me any harm' hope i'm not being too much of a liberal twat to say well maybe out of the public eye he can sort himself out and get some help.

moreover it does absolutely nothing to address why this guy has become so popular in the first place, including among people that are nothing, or almost nothing to do with the alt-right

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've been more offended by pretty much everything else he has said more than this thing that got his book cancelled, oh well.

If anything his comments seemed like a confession that he'd been sexually abused as a child, and a strong hint that this and his attempts to rationalise it have effectively fractured his mind, creating the acid-spitting monster we see today.

 

[SpookyFrank]

... hope i'm not being too much of a liberal twat to say well maybe out of the public eye he can sort himself out and get some help.

This would be my thinking tbh. I don't think crucifying him helps anyone, and like you say it's not a good look to jump on the same bandwagon as Ann Coulter.

 

[sim667]

nah i reckon 95% of them always hated him, the group isn't imploding they're just getting rid of 1 person. nothing to get excited about tbh.

I don't know...... a lot of them seemed keen, he was the kind of "look we're ok, we like gays" mascot for them it always seemed to me.

 

[belboid]

Why do I hate her ?

Because you're the boards best known misogynist.

 

[classicdish]

It seems like a while that the Alt-Reich have been some kind of balancing collection of random right wingers, all of a sudden now one of their fave spokespeople has come out and said he's fine with noncing, I'm getting to watch the group implode, in real time, on the internet.

I'm not sure they have ever been 'balancing' - there seem to be are a whole range of issues where different 'currents' of the alt-right diverge.

This article was posted over on the alt-right thread and sums it up well:

Ctrl-Alt-Delete: The origins and ideology of the Alternative Right

 

[frogwoman]

yeah there seems to be some homophobic overtones implicit in some of the coverage , i mean going on about the creepy gay handshake between Trump and Thiel for instance

 

[belboid]

Are you talking about Penny?

She has admitted to hanging out with him on occasion hasn't she?

Also I don't know about you but if I am clear about not wanting to hang out with someone on account of them being a CUNT I also don't have contact with them for any other reason. I don't fetishise or court their cuntiness to make money or anything else.

Penny clearly does...


I’m With The Banned – Welcome to the Scream Room

She was monetising her contact with him last night too tweeting about her hardship on getting her new article about him written because the news keeps changing.............poor darrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrling!

She's a journo, albeit a crappy one. Meeting shit people and writing about them is part of the job.

There are many reasons to think she's shit, but this one is tenuous as fuck.

 

[Treacle Toes]

am i the only one starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with this feeding frenzy (which was initiated by members of the alt-right themselves and is the sort of thing he's himself done)

Do you mean have they set him up in the way he has set others up? Yep, probably.

moreover it does absolutely nothing to address why this guy has become so popular in the first place, including among people that are nothing, or almost nothing to do with the alt-right

Who are you referring to?

 

[not-bono-ever]

She's a journo, albeit a crappy one. Meeting shit people and writing about them is part of the job.

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You do have a point here. this is why I am not a journalist, that and basic literacy and stuff obviously

 

[frogwoman]

Do you mean have they set him up in the way he has set others up? Yep, probably.



Who are you referring to?

yes that is what i mean

im talking about a lot of his fanbase, he's got popular because he's a 'comedian' who says outrageous shit. there was a really interesting article interviewing the people who went to see his shows, it turns out a lot of them are fairly uninterested in politics and see him as a comedian/shock jock that says outrageous shit. now obviously these people must have a relatively high tolerance for the crap that he comes out with, but the fact is that he has amassed a somewhat 'apolitical' following

here is the article: Ridicu-opoulos: Report From The Front Of The Milo Wars | The Huffington Post

im not justifying them liking him or excusing it, he is a complete tosser, but i think it's fairly uncontroversial to say his appeal has expanded a bit beyond alt-right circles at this point

There are two lines, one for students and one for everyone else. The everyone-else line is much shorter, and is mostly composed of the people you might imagine: hard right adults with Trump t-shirts or Make America Great Again hats. The student line is altogether different. Maybe 5-10 percent are conservatives who voted for Trump. Maybe another 30-40 percent are actual Milo fans: they have been following Milo since long before his appearance on this campus was announced; they watch his YouTube videos; they like what they see. The Milo fans run the political spectrum. Some “lean right” or “lean left.” Some think of themselves as libertarian and voted for Gary Johnson. Many describe themselves in some way or another as occupying the political center. Still others describe themselves as off the political spectrum. Nearly all the Milo fans tell me they “don’t agree with everything he says,” but this does not trouble them in the least, because they see him as a comedian. They think he is funny. They watch his YouTube videos because they laugh. They point out how many of the current crop of pop culture comedians that populate late-night cable TV put offensive speech at the center of their act, and they see Milo as part of that cohort. They have come out tonight for a comedy show.

 

[Treacle Toes]

im not justifying them liking him or excusing it, he is a complete tosser, but i think it's fairly uncontroversial to say his appeal has expanded a bit beyond alt-right circles at this point

Who said you were being controversial? I simply asked who you were referring to.

 

[The Pale King]

by 'sort of liked' u mean 'we got pissed together and charged around the BBC causing havoc, chain smoking and gossiping about men' <3

It was more than one event though wasn't it ? There was that last one she wrote about, then there was another time some years back they both got roaring drunk together " and talked about boys " . And by her own admission he's been in regular contact with her for the past 4 years , inviting her to parties and the like . They appear to have been in regular e mail contact at least with one another for a considerable period of time .

Not me who's the fibber .

Still interested to know why it is you think I hate her .

Think this is the tweet in question:

Laurie PennyVerified account‏@PennyRed
@Nero by 'sort of liked' u mean 'we got pissed together and charged around the BBC causing havoc, chain smoking and gossiping about men' <3

 

[Vintage Paw]

Um. Not very keen on typing out a defence of that arsehole but.. he didn't actually say any of that, did he.
I think he was just talking about big age gaps, not sex with anyone below age of consent.

He specifically says sex with boys in their early teens, below the age of consent, isn't paedophilia but is healthy and the boys get a lot out of it.

 

[bimble]

He specifically says sex with boys in their early teens, below the age of consent, isn't paedophilia but is healthy and the boys get a lot out of it.

I didn't realise and was totally wrong. Took him at his (later) word.

 

[NoXion]

She's a journo, albeit a crappy one. Meeting shit people and writing about them is part of the job.

There are many reasons to think she's shit, but this one is tenuous as fuck.

Seemed a bit more chummy than just a meeting.

 

[killer b]

He specifically says sex with boys in their early teens, below the age of consent, isn't paedophilia but is healthy and the boys get a lot out of it.

That wasn't quite what he said was it.

 

[Idris2002]

Seemed a bit more chummy than just a meeting.

A bit more chummy, yes. I hope this is a fake, but . . .

 

[Vintage Paw]

That wasn't quite what he said was it.

That's what I took away from watching the video of his podcast interview.

He said sex with boys once they've reached puberty isn't paedophilia*. He said that relationships - and sex - between older men and those boys can be extremely fulfilling for both of them. It's literally there in that podcast.

*On that count, he's right. It's hebephilia. But both are still child sex offences.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You lot are paying way too much attention to Laurie Penny. The correct amount of attention to pay her is zero.

 

[Idris2002]

You lot are paying way too much attention to Laurie Penny. The correct amount of attention to pay her is zero.

Well, she pops up in unexpected places. Last autumn I saw her on German telly, as a talking head commenting on . . . Martin Luther, of Reformation fame.

Still none the wiser about that one.

 

[classicdish]

He specifically says sex with boys in their early teens, below the age of consent, isn't paedophilia but is healthy and the boys get a lot out of it.

Have you got links to the original unedited videos? I have read contradictory things about what he actually said and/or meant and I think I'd like to watch the original videos for myself and make my own mind up.

 

[The Pale King]

You lot are paying way too much attention to Laurie Penny. The correct amount of attention to pay her is zero.

Guilty as charged - but I think it may be worth looking at the conditions which produce such performative political personalities as your Pennies and Yiannopoulii.

 

[Lurdan]

yes that is what i mean

im talking about a lot of his fanbase, he's got popular because he's a 'comedian' who says outrageous shit. there was a really interesting article interviewing the people who went to see his shows, it turns out a lot of them are fairly uninterested in politics and see him as a comedian/shock jock that says outrageous shit. now obviously these people must have a relatively high tolerance for the crap that he comes out with, but the fact is that he has amassed a somewhat 'apolitical' following

here is the article: Ridicu-opoulos: Report From The Front Of The Milo Wars | The Huffington Post

im not justifying them liking him or excusing it, he is a complete tosser, but i think it's fairly uncontroversial to say his appeal has expanded a bit beyond alt-right circles at this point

There was an article circulating yesterday about the basis of 4chan's support of Trump. I think it over-eggs it's argument - by the fourth time it used the "living in mom's basement" trope I was getting a bit restless - but I think it touches on aspects of the support base for Milo.

4chan: The Skeleton Key To The Rise Of Trump

liberal homophobia strikes again, i mean look at this beauty

Some of the responses to his defense of pederasty certainly involve unpleasant "noble cause" homophobia but I'm not sure that's a specifically "liberal" thing. Sadly it seems not uncommon across the left.

 

[frogwoman]

There was an article circulating yesterday about the basis of 4chan's support of Trump. I think it over-eggs it's argument - by the fourth time it used the "living in mom's basement" trope I was getting a bit restless - but I think it touches on aspects of the support base for Milo.

4chan: The Skeleton Key To The Rise Of Trump



Some of the responses to his defense of pederasty certainly involve unpleasant "noble cause" homophobia but I'm not sure that's a specifically "liberal" thing. Sadly it seems not uncommon across the left.

Also fairly sure that when I first started posting here in 2001 there were smileys and also the ability to post images. It wasn't exclusively related to 4chan.

 

[bimble]

Guilty as charged - but I think it may be worth looking at the conditions which produce such performative political personalities as your Pennies and Yiannopoulii.

yep. And, arguably, the vacuous self promoting reality tv star social media provocateur turned president of the USA.

 

[The Pale King]

yep. And, arguably, the vacuous self promoting reality tv star social media provocateur turned president of the USA.

Well indeed - 4th wall truly breached...

 

[Vintage Paw]

 

[bimble]

The only bit of that which I find shocking is that he was 13. To my mind that's very young, and his assertion that he was 'sexually mature' at that age looks like an attempt to deny / deflect that he was a victim of abuse.

The rest of it, including the idea that consent is more complex than the law - in that not every relationship where one person is below the age of consent is a non consensual relationship, even though legally it is - and that cross-generational relationships are not always to be condemned, I think the fuss being made is a bit absurd, isn't it?

 

[killer b]

He said that relationships - and sex - between older men and those boys can be extremely fulfilling for both of them. It's literally there in that podcast.

Yeah, he did say that - which isn't quite what you previously posted.

I hate to defend this nazi fuck, but I've heard similar from other gay men (and straight women) who've been sexually active since their early teens and have no regrets about it. I think they're wrong, and such relationships are exploitative even if they didn't feel like that at the time - but it's not really defending paedophilia.

I want to see this fucker go down, believe me. But not for this.