editor
hiraethified
No, you're not getting off the hook that easily. Please elaborate about why you brought up my apparent need for medicine. I want to know why you thought it was an appropriate comment to post up in a thread about milk production.
Milk's impact on the planet dairy, soya, rice, oat and almond compared
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
It would be extremely silly, yes.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
TruXta
tired
Nah, can't be bothered. Work it out for yourself. Or don't.
editor
hiraethified
It sounds like you think it's a big laugh to suggest that my mental health is such that I need medicine. Which is a disgusting, shameful smear. Why the fuck are you bringing up this kind of unpleasant personal shit?
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
What?
Take your own medicine. A taste of your own medicine. Whatever. A figure of speech that has been around for donkey's years. Nothing to do with mental health.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
I eat cheese made only 15 km away. My milk is local as is my butter. Bread from the bakery in town. All meat is local or in the case of my fry up essentials that come from Clonakilty. I think you'd find that a lot of Irish people are eating food produced here.
The reason I'm asking about whether rice and almonds can be grown here or in the UK is because basically if cows milk and meat is eliminated then there must be something to replace it that can be home grown easily. Especially on an island. I have only asked if rice and almonds can be grown here becaise if cows milk were to be replaced by milk from soya, almonds and rice then a small country like Ireland would either starve or collapse in a crisis where we relied on imports.
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Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Have you been here long?! Lol
I think the criticism at the style and use of the original statistics in this thread is entirely valid from the perspective of someone who understands the reality of milk production and its environmental effects, but would be keen to see these expressed fully, accurately, and without leaving a gap for deniers to squeeze through.
As subsequent posts have shown, this is a complex area once land use, water use and transport are factored into non-dairy milk production. A quick Google of UK dairy industry stats for example shows that some 50% of UK cows get pregnant by a bull standing up in the traditional way, which is not what editor has intimated. However, the use of artificial insemination also has a provably negative effect on conception rates and fertility, which means the more we use it the fewer calfs we are getting, and this means in turn that genetic research is now being used to identify stronger reproductive genomes in cows for isolation.
If you thought only a small fraction of calves came from natural insemination, rather than 50% or so, you would be inclined to underestimate the impact of AI on reproductivity and so create a skewed picture of the industry trends and likely future direction... Which isn't really being as well-informed as we could be.
Editor's heart is clearly in the right place. But he'll know better than anyone that if you aren't thorough in your claims and honest in your debate, you will get torn a new one round here, no matter who you are, and that is actually the way we prefer it.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Someone criticised your posting style (understandably) you didn't like it (understandably) and you objected (understandably) but then you criticised someone else's posting style (somewhat less understandable as it was a really honest question about food miles) and that inconsistency has allowed someone else to come in and highlight it (understandably).
It's got nowt to do with a reference to your mental health, and I'm pretty sure you must know that?!
Also, speaking as someone who takes medication for his mental health, I can assure you it is not a "disgusting, shameful smear" to either be mentally unwell or to treat that illness with medication, and I kinda resent that language.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
You've been pondering that mental image of me fucking chavs haven't you babe!? I've got some great DVDs I can let you have cheap if you like?
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Well, you're clearly not from working class Salford, you're on the wrong thread and you're about six years too late to the party. Other than than, good effort!
Do you have much to say on vegetable based milk alternatives at all?
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
It was first referenced tonight by another poster, referring to a very old debate from a very old thread from several years ago, after the publication of the Owen Jones book on Chavs I believe. That's the context for you, not that you're at all interested in context of course, but there it is...
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
Just realised you're a newbie, sorry! This was probably all before you got here, you weren't to know.
editor
hiraethified
It is when people suggest you have mental health problems just because they disagree with what you're saying. Perhaps you've missed it, but I get it rather a lot here and it pisses me off - and that's what his comment sounded like to me. His refusal to explain himself when asked didn't help either.
editor
hiraethified
And your phone/computer/furniture/car/bike? Unless you live in an isolated eco-bubble, all of us live in a world where goods are transported to us.
editor
hiraethified
Yet here I am posting up endless links to credible research and I'm still waiting for someone to post up anything that counters those claims.
Have you got anything to offer?
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Actually I can live without my car and furniture. And as it turns out my car was made in the UK and most of my furniture is Irish made or second hand. I know that products are imported. But my life does not depend on them.
My point though was that if we are to live on foodstuffs that are imported to replace dairy and we are to eliminate dairy which is a huge food source here and readily available then we need to be sure that the supply will never run out for any reason. We need to be able to control it.
The only way to ensure this is to be capable of producing it ourselves....successfully. this was why I asked the question "can we grow almonds and rice here"
I'm not sure why you are missing my poing? It's important. Especially on an island. And especially if you end up relying on aeroplanes and ships coming from other countries for one of your basic food groups.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
As someone who takes medicine for their mental health I can confirm that it's not shameful at all.
And in any case, 'taste of your own medicine' is a well known idiom and clearly wasn't meant literally. So take a chill pill.
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Steel Icarus
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