Milk's impact on the planet dairy, soya, rice, oat and almond compared

[editor]

I didn't say you were

So by calling for a reduction in the amount of meat and dairy consumed in line with multiple mainstream science reports, I must be a (non-vegan) vegangalist?

Awesome logic.

 

[Saul Goodman]

So by calling for a reduction in the amount of meat and dairy consumed in line with multiple mainstream science reports, I must be a (non-vegan) vegangalist?

Awesome logic.

One thread does not a vegangelist make.
It's the preaching about others' eating choices that make a vegangelist. It's trying to shame people into not eating meat because it's unethical. Do you think meat eaters are so stupid that they don't know that it's unethical? Everyone knows that animals have to die in order for them to eat meat, but just because they want to eat the burger, doesn't mean they want to meet the cow.

 

[ddraig]

One thread does not a vegangelist make.
It's the preaching about others' eating choices that make a vegangelist. It's trying to shame people into not eating meat because it's unethical. Do you think meat eaters are so stupid that they don't know that it's unethical? Everyone knows that animals have to die in order for them to eat meat, but just because they want to eat the burger, doesn't mean they want to meet the cow.

 

[Saul Goodman]

And your point is?

 

[ddraig]

And your point is?

believe it's your point seeing as you typed it
well done

 

[Saul Goodman]

believe it's your point seeing as you typed it
well done

So you don't have a point, as per usual. Carry on.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Animals die so I can eat them, often in quite horrible ways.

I’m OK with that.

If anything would make me reduce my meat and dairy consumption it’s the environmental/resource argument, as that impacts on people. Maybe I need to try for one veggie day a week as a starting point

 

[editor]

One thread does not a vegangelist make.
It's the preaching about others' eating choices that make a vegangelist. It's trying to shame people into not eating meat because it's unethical. Do you think meat eaters are so stupid that they don't know that it's unethical? Everyone knows that animals have to die in order for them to eat meat, but just because they want to eat the burger, doesn't mean they want to meet the cow.

Please be sure to post up some examples of my 'preaching' to the cause of veganism. Thanks.

Meanwhile I could point you in the direction of multiple posts where I have repeatedly made it extremely clear that what I am actually advocating a reduction in meat/dairy production on environmental grounds. I guess you've either missed those posts or are to busy working yourself up into a froth with all this non existent 'vegangelism.'

 

[editor]

Animals die so I can eat them, often in quite horrible ways.

I’m OK with that.

If anything would make me reduce my meat and dairy consumption it’s the environmental/resource argument, as that impacts on people. Maybe I need to try for one veggie day a week as a starting point

That's an entirely reasonable starting point. Many studies have proposed that introducing meat-free days can have real health benefits too.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Animals die so I can eat them, often in quite horrible ways.

I’m OK with that.

This is how I feel about eating beef.
I don't eat lamb (or veal) because I don't believe they've not had a long enough life, but that's just a personal choice, and I certainly wouldn't try preaching to anyone else that they shouldn't eat it.
People should eat whatever they like, and mind their own fucking business about what other people eat.

 

[peterkro]

This is how I feel about eating beef.
I don't eat lamb because I don't believe they've not had a long enough life, but that's just a personal choice, and I certainly wouldn't try preaching to anyone else that they shouldn't eat it.
People should eat whatever they like, and mind their own fucking business about what other people eat.

Cannibalism for the win.

 

[Orang Utan]

Where did I say you're trying to convince people to be vegan? That's the last thing you want, because if everyone was vegan, you wouldn't be able to float about on your cloud of imagined superiority.

I think if you call someone a vegangelist, you are literally saying they are trying to convince people to be vegan. Or you have misunderstood the word evangelism.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I think if you call someone a vegangelist, you are literally saying they are trying to convince people to be vegan. Or you have misunderstood the word evangelism.

Then you think wrongly. Vegangelists generally don't want others to be vegan, they simply want to preach about how much better they are than non-vegans. If everyone else converted to veganism, the vegangelists would be lost, and would have to start wearing hemp shoes and embark on a life of self-flagellation in order to feel whole again.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh right ok, so vegangelists only exist in the imagination.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Oh right ok, so vegangelists only exist in the imagination.

And on urban.

 

[Orang Utan]

It's fine coming up with reasons why you should continue to eat meat, but there's really no need to ascribe imaginary motives to people you don't know just cos they've made different dietary choices to you.

 

[8ball]

Except that isn't the case, is it. There are vegangelists on this thread whose whole life seems to revolve around spouting shite about how much of a better person they are than the meat eaters, solely because they don't eat meat.

There’s not so much of it on this thread, though.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Please be sure to post up some examples of my 'preaching' to the cause of veganism. Thanks.
Meanwhile I could point you in the direction of multiple posts where I have repeatedly made it extremely clear that what I am actually advocating a reduction in meat/dairy production on environmental grounds. I guess you've either missed those posts or are to busy working yourself up into a froth with all this non existent 'vegangelism.'

On this thread?

Let me start you off here:

And then you can have a read of what happens at a touchy feely organic farm:

You're very naive. Almost all dairy cattle are artificially inseminated and have been for years.

Cow Insemination – How Does it Work?

You need to get over this negative obsession with vegans and start discussing the actual issues about the inherent cruelty in the dairy industry.

So you get your milk shipped in from those small Irish farms? How do they keep the cows producing milk, by the way?

This sounds familiar:



And snatching a new born calf away from its mother sure sounds like mistreatment to me. Or do you think they're not bothered?


Analysis: Dairy must address animal welfare critics or consumers could quit milk - FarmIreland.ie

What was the point of these posts? They don't seem very environmentally orientated to me.
These were just the first three I found, and there are many more on this thread alone.

 

[editor]

On this thread?



What was the point of these posts? They don't seem very environmentally orientated to me.
These were just the first three I found, and there are many more on this thread alone.

None of those are 'preaching' or 'vegangelistic.' They're discussing one element of meat and dairy production.

 

[Saul Goodman]

None of those are 'preaching' or 'vegangelistic.' They're discussing one element of meat and dairy production.

Yeah,. OK.

 

[editor]

Then you think wrongly. Vegangelists generally don't want others to be vegan, they simply want to preach about how much better they are than non-vegans. If everyone else converted to veganism, the vegangelists would be lost, and would have to start wearing hemp shoes and embark on a life of self-flagellation in order to feel whole again.

But I'm a non vegan so your own definition makes no fucking sense at all.

 

[Saul Goodman]

But I'm a non vegan so your own definition makes no fucking sense at all.

Which is why I used the word 'generally'.

 

[editor]

Which is why I used the word 'generally'.

And what the fuck has hemp shoes got to do with anything?

 

[Saul Goodman]

And what the fuck has hemp shoes got to do with anything?

It's the next step in being 'holier than thou'. It makes you a better vegan.
#propervegan

 

[editor]

It's the next step in being 'holier than thou'. It makes you a better vegan.
#propervegan

And who has used that hashtag in this thread? Why, just you.

 

[Saul Goodman]

And who has used that hashtag in this thread? Why, just you.

 

[editor]

NO ONE IS TELLING YOU TO BE VEGAN. GET OVER IT.

 

[Saul Goodman]

NO ONE IS TELLING YOU TO BE VEGAN. GET OVER IT.

But you're telling people they shouldn't drink cows' milk or eat beef because cruelty (or at least that's the way your posts come across), so what exactly are you trying to do?

 

[editor]

But you're telling people they shouldn't drink cows' milk or eat beef because cruelty (or at least that's the way your posts come across), so what exactly are you trying to do?

 

[8ball]

But you're telling people they shouldn't drink cows' milk or eat beef because cruelty (or at least that's the way your posts come across), so what exactly are you trying to do?

I think we need to move in the direction of less of those things. I expect some things will become “special occasion food” rather than an everyday thing.