That's terrible. Poor woman, hope she's fully recovered.The trial of the person who tried to murder my best mates sister-in-law began today.
Jilted Bath teacher launched 'frenzied' attack on former partner
Matthew Jones would not accept Emma Kirk did not want to see him again, a trial is told.www.bbc.co.uk
How can he deny attempted murder when you read what is in the link. I hope the jury are not taken in.
Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency
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LeytonCatLady
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Scum. Fingers crossed he's found guilty and gets the max.The trial of the person who tried to murder my best mates sister-in-law began today.
Jilted Bath teacher launched 'frenzied' attack on former partner
Matthew Jones would not accept Emma Kirk did not want to see him again, a trial is told.www.bbc.co.uk
How can he deny attempted murder when you read what is in the link. I hope the jury are not taken in.
I hope she's as OK as it's possible to be after such an ordeal.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
How violent misogynist images and messages are being pushed onto boys:
Social media: Why algorithms show violence to boys
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Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
I last saw her in July and she seemed in good spirits and understand from my friend that she’s recovering very well overall.
The trial will be tough I’m sure, but I hope she can then move on and life can get back to normal gradually. She is lucky to have a very supportive family and job.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Definitely an international emergency, one that is pushing me ever closer to despair tbh.
Rebecca Cheptegei: Ugandan athlete in hospital after Kenya petrol attack
The 33-year-old distance runner is currently receiving treatment for 75% burns, police say.
www.bbc.co.uk
GarveyLives
Well-Known Member
Hull Crown Court has heard that Ryan Parker of Portobello Street, off Holderness Road, east Hull, was left with a black eye, a fractured eye socket and a broken cheekbone after witnesses came to the rescue when he was beating up his girlfriend:
(Source: as stated in image)
Ryan Parker admitted causing actual bodily harm, possessing a knife and threatening behaviour. He was jailed for 20 months and he was given a six-year restraining order:
Violent bully viciously attacked girlfriend - but was then beaten up by others
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Not sure if more violence is the answer, GarveyLives
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Generally no, but in this case it stopped him from punching the woman, so it was totally justified and efficient.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
On one level, I agree.
But then again, I wonder what it would take to stop horrific attacks like the one above, of Ugandan athlete Rebecca Cheptegei being doused in petrol and set alight, suffering 75% per cent burns?
I know that 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind' but sometimes the thought crosses my mind that maybe prison sentences aren't enough for crimes like that, or acid attacks, and maybe the only suitable deterrent would be for the punishment to fit the crime and for the perpetrator to suffer similar injuries. I mean, the guys get away with it virtually scot free, meanwhile the woman suffers life-long pain and multiple surgeries and ongoing treatment and permanent disfigurement.
It made the news earlier this year, when Katie Piper had to pull out of a programme due to needing unplanned surgery. She's had countless surgeries over the years. I just Googled and came across a reference to her at the time of making a programme in 2012 as having had 100+ medical procedures since the attack in 2008.
I mean, I'm obviously not serious about this, because it wouldn't be feasible or ethical, or desirable really, I know that deep down, but can't help a small part of me thinking the attackers should get their just desserts. Because where's the justice in relatively short sentences when the women who've been attacked suffer for the rest of their lives?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It’s not the ‘eye for an eye’ notion that I was taking issue with tbh. I was questioning whether further violence, in the long term, is something we want to be encouraging as it certainly doesn’t help to break the mindset of certain violent males.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
If men continue to be socialised into thinking meting out violence as punishment is acceptable, we’ll never end this cycle.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Exactly. Violence after the fact rather than the hard work of changing behaviour and attitudes beforehand = women and girls still get hurt and killed, but men get to feel better about themselves.
Although it doesn't really feel like we've made any progress on this tbh.
Yup. After I was stabbed by my ex, I had quite a few dodgy bloke mates offer to 'sort him out' for me, either just as a scare (kidnap, car boot, hood, left naked in a forest etc) or actual taking him fully out. I wanted neither, there had already been too much violence, and I did not want to put myself down at that level. Yes, I wanted him to die/not exist anymore, but I didn't want to be the one that caused it to happen. The mates didn't understand that, but they did respect it, thank fuck.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Oh, yeah, I totally agree regarding violence not being the answer to violence.
It's more that I feel helpless and frustrated, due at least in part to firmly believing that prison isn't a sufficient deterrent, and so wonder whether a taste of their own medicine - truly suffering the consequences of their actions - might be the only thing that could deter the men that commit these kinds of despicable crimes.
On a fundamental level, I believe in rehabilitation and restorative justice. The problem is that there's the law and then there's justice and the two aren't necessarily the same thing. And also, how can such a system work when the perpetrators - and I'm talking about MVAWG more generally now - often lack remorse, don't realise or accept that they've done anything heinous, and a lot of that is down to systemic failures, failures of the police, failures of the criminal (in)justice system, and society more generally.
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry that happened to you. Hope the cunt responsible got the harshest punishment available.
Thanks. He got 5 years, was out in 2.5. Fuck all given the original charge was attempted murder, but the coppers wanted an easy collar, so went for a lesser charge.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Fucking hell. So sorry that happened to you. I hope you're okay now. (((sojourner))) x
LeytonCatLady
Well-Known Member
That's a disgrace. People get longer than that for non-violent crime. When money is valued over human life, there's something extremely fucked up. Hope you're safe from him now.
Long time ago now but thank you. I still have PTSD that comes back like a shot given the right triggers (you wouldn't believe how popular stabbing is in films!), ridiculous startle response, hypervigilance (exhausting but manageable mostly), the feeling of being 'removed' from most people, and still sometimes have to face 'the look' from new people when I tell them about it (because it somehow always comes up), but I can live, and have lived, with all of those things. I couldn't live with myself if I was responsible for the death of another human being.
You see short sentences for VAWG alllll the time. Sentencing is absolutely weighted towards crime against capitalism rather than female lives.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
A good mother is a decent start in generating the right sort of behaviour.
My mother was a traditional housewife, but also a feminist, although she would never have described herself as such.
She made it clear to me from boyhood that women are different to men, and should be treated differently. Not weaker, not less intelligent and not less capable, but different.
You do not shout at women. You do not swear at women. You do not make a woman experience fear (If you are walking along a deserted pavement towards a woman, you cross the road well before you come to her.). You do not hit women. You do not belittle women. You do not discuss intimate relationships with anyone. (The last made me an oddity in the army, because I would not allow others to describe what they did in bed the previous night.). If a woman is being attacked, physically or verbally, you step in.
I've abided by those rules all my life.
It is quite hard to put into words something that you do by reflex.
My mother was a traditional housewife, but also a feminist, although she would never have described herself as such.
She made it clear to me from boyhood that women are different to men, and should be treated differently. Not weaker, not less intelligent and not less capable, but different.
You do not shout at women. You do not swear at women. You do not make a woman experience fear (If you are walking along a deserted pavement towards a woman, you cross the road well before you come to her.). You do not hit women. You do not belittle women. You do not discuss intimate relationships with anyone. (The last made me an oddity in the army, because I would not allow others to describe what they did in bed the previous night.). If a woman is being attacked, physically or verbally, you step in.
I've abided by those rules all my life.
It is quite hard to put into words something that you do by reflex.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
That's all good stuff, Sasaferrato , but I have to admit to not liking the inference that it's the mother's fault if a man is a violent misogynist. It's the man's fault/responsibility. end of.
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
It might make him think twice before doing it again though.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I am not suggesting that in any way.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
You're fundamentally right of course but my outrage and sympathy meters failed to register anything whilst reading that story.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
That’s entirely beside the point, though.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
That’s doubtful though, isn’t it?
Callie
Pivoting
This assumes that no other way no other way of intervening successfully.
I hate this. Sorry.
It should be:
"You do not shout at anyone. You do not swear at anyone. You do not make a anyone experience fear . You do not hit anyone."
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