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Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency

purenarcotic said:
Men on this thread who have been asking what they can do; the above is an example. Contact your MP and ask what they are doing to make proper, decent DV training a mandatory, or better still, statutory requirement as part of social work training.
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Is it part of the nursing training curriculum as well?
 
purenarcotic said:
Men on this thread who have been asking what they can do; the above is an example. Contact your MP and ask what they are doing to make proper, decent DV training a mandatory, or better still, statutory requirement as part of social work training.
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It’s not?!!! :eek: You have to be kidding me. Surely it’s a massive part of child protection training?
 
I'm really surprised at that too Edie, I would have hoped that, as nurses would be a key group of people that deal with those affected in this way, there would be.

Thanks, purenarcotic
 
Edie said:
It’s not?!!! :eek: You have to be kidding me. Surely it’s a massive part of child protection training?
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I wish I was joking. I got none, it was by luck I got my placement at a DV service. We used to go in and deliver to my old uni but only because one of the lecturers had a special research interest in it. When she left we stopped being asked. It is a constant source of bemusement and frustration to me.
 
purenarcotic said:
I wish I was joking. I got none, it was by luck I got my placement at a DV service. We used to go in and deliver to my old uni but only because one of the lecturers had a special research interest in it. When she left we stopped being asked. It is a constant source of bemusement and frustration to me.
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That’s… insane. As doctors we are constantly having teaching about it.
 
The Nth room case, for a start.

From Reddit:
To be honest, this specific article doesn't give all of the info on it. It's really horrifying and Korean feminists are reaching out on Twitter trying to get all of the help internationally they can, so I will try to add some more things I've seen from Twitter:
  • Basically, the rooms are a mix of women being filmed (including things like spy cams, groping family members while they're sleeping, etc) and posted in chatrooms, and men sending regular photos of women and making deepfakes out of it. As far as I know, one of the deepfake rooms works by using a bot, all you do is send in a picture and within 5 seconds AI generated deepfake porn is made out of it.
  • So, please understand that the men engaging in deepfake porn aren't tech geniuses, a good chunk are middle/high school boys even.
  • Some rooms required men to secretly take photos of their family members to even join.
  • There are more men in these chat rooms than there are babies being born in SK
  • At one of the schools, the girls were called into the auditorium and told to be careful not to get deepfaked. While the boys were playing soccer.
  • Name, age, school, sometimes even the phone number or address and more info was posted alongside each post. Yes, some girls were approached IRL. Yes, some were blackmailed and threatened.
  • LOTS of the victims are minors.
  • A chatroom with over 900 participants was specifically for deepfakes of female soldiers, even. To join the chatroom, these men had to either submit the victims military photos/personal info, OR prove their OWN active military status.
  • SK men are mass reporting the Twitter accounts posting about these and trying to doxx the owners. There is even a screenshot saying "Does anyone know how to stop Korean women from posting translations on Twitter?" and a reply being, "... I am worried about the large response from foreigners to translated posts posted by Korean women."
It's also important to understand that anti-feminism is the norm in SK. Even the word feminist is a dirty word. There are woman who have been fired, harassed, or have committed suicide due to being accused of being feminists. As far as I understand it, the current government was elected because anti-feminism was a part of their campaign.
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A further comment:
sexual abuse and assault, even extremely physically violent rape of very young girls, never gets more than a year at most. if the rapist or sexual abuser is a minor he won't get any kind of real disciplinary actions or treatment at all- it's waved away as childish impulse and boys will be boys, and then it's left for the family to deal with, which they won't. victims of sexual violence whose names become known among their immediate community or online are hounded to the point of regularly attempting/committing suicide.

just a few years ago there was the nth room gangrapes, where a man orchestrated a network where women, including over two dozen underage girls, were blackmailed and forced into recording sexual videos, including videos of graphic gang rape, that were then sold over telegram, with men being able to request sexual acts they wanted specific women and girls to be forced into in future videos. all the men spearheading this had prior criminal or legal records for sexual crimes, including sexual crimes against children. they did not get more than slaps on the wrist. it was an uphill battle just to get them charged for the nth room telegram rapes and a lot of the prosecutor's focus was on them producing and distributing pornography, not on the rapes of hundreds of women.
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izz said:
Thanks pickers, I didn't know about the absence of transcripts.
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Court proceedings often used to be tape recorded, although I'm not sure if that happened/happens in the mags. And then it was possible to order/request a transcript and pay for it.
 
Pickman's model said:
On other threads we've discussed how to end the epidemic of knife crime of which the stabbings we've discussed on this thread are an important aspect. The Scottish approach of treating it as a public health problem rather than a law and order one has been widely praised. I wonder how applicable to knife crime in vawg people think that it might be. How Scotland stemmed the tide of knife crime
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On page 27 of this thread, several people* made comments about/queried the reporting of incidents of VAWG as 'isolated incidents' and the thought crossed my mind that it's weird how the authorities are so eager to emphasise this 'isolated incident' line, #NotAllMen, nothing to see here, move along, yet those same authorities (and lots of media gobshites) are happy to conflate eg knife crime with black youths** and 'terrorism' with Muslims***.

Why is that?

So, yeah, instead of VAWG it should be known as MVAWG, call it out for what it is.


* andysays weepiper ElizabethofYork Sue

** See Akala schooling Piers Morgan on knife crime, correlation with deprivation, etc.



*** Anytime there's a public attack and the first questions are generally about the perpetrators skin colour/race (note the general assumption/first information is that they're male).

[Insert meme of 'guy with white equals mentally disturbed, brown or black skin equals terrorist colour chart' here.]

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Lotte said:
South Korea is an awful warning of where we're headed.
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They had a situation where rich men were systematically drugging and raping women at a club (more than likely more than one club to be honest) in famous Gangnam, the perpetrators of which were getting a heads-up from the local Police about it.

All that was shared on these private chat rooms and I think what’s driven them to these little corners is that Korea has mental defamation laws, whereby even if what you are saying is true: if it affects the perceived character of the person you are talking about you can be sued.

It’s a very fascist-lite country.
 
equationgirl said:
Is it part of the nursing training curriculum as well?
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should part of all Health Professional training and Support grades as well - it certainly is for support grades (ECA and similar ) in the Ambulance Service as support grades can crew together on certain work or in certain situations to keept a vehicle available
 
Lotte said:
South Korea is an awful warning of where we're headed.
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Also on the subject of Korea:

m.koreatimes.co.kr

Male-dominated gov't-funded forum rushes to add female speakers over UK ambassador's boycott

This year's Global Korea Foum (GKF), an annual international conference hosted by the Ministry of Unification, has added more female panelists after being criticized for its lack of diversity.
m.koreatimes.co.kr m.koreatimes.co.kr

"The ambassador is unable to take part in the Global Korea Forum next week. The British Embassy is committed to gender equality. We believe that events are enriched by the diversity of perspectives of those participating,"

Known as a leading expert on the Korean Peninsula, Colin Crooks has served as an ambassador in both South and North Korea: where was the ambassador from 2018 to 2021.
 
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ElizabethofYork said:
www.theguardian.com

Violence against women a ‘national emergency’ in England and Wales, police say

National Police Chiefs’ Council analysis reveals 2m women a year estimated to be victims of male violence
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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A former Metropolitan Police officer has been charged following an investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct.

Former PC Mark Tyrrell was charged on 13 August 2024 via postal requisition with:

  • Two counts of rape
  • 11 counts of sexual assault
  • Four counts of sexual assault by penetration
  • Three counts of perverting the course of justice
  • One count of misconduct in public office

Former PC Mark Tyrrell, who was attached to the Metropolitan Police's Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command before he retired on 8 September 2023, will appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on 4 September 2024.

Former PC Mark Tyrrell was arrested in April 2023, while he was a serving officer, as part of an investigation by the Metropolitan Police's Directorate of Professional Standards.
 
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I reckon it's an international emergency. See above re S Korea, see generally re India, Spain, Italy - well, anywhere, really - and this latest horror from France.
www.theguardian.com

Man accused of enlisting strangers to rape drugged wife goes on trial in France

Dominique Pelicot, 71, being tried with 50 other men over alleged abuse of woman for years at couple’s Provence home
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Content warning in the title

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bluescreen said:
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I reckon it's an international emergency. See above re S Korea, see generally re India, Spain, Italy - well, anywhere, really - and this latest horror from France.
www.theguardian.com

Man accused of enlisting strangers to rape drugged wife goes on trial in France

Dominique Pelicot, 71, being tried with 50 other men over alleged abuse of woman for years at couple’s Provence home
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Content warning in the title

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Dear God. That's really awful. Her children thought she had Alzheimer's :(
 
Late to the thread but it is relevant to my work experience. I deal with victims of DV on a depressingly regular basis. Just had a long phone conversation with a victim , and we will be moving her . I work closely with the borough safety net folk , who work very closely with the victims , helping them access legal advice & to apply for non molestation orders. Despite being used to this depressing reality , it's one of the things I'm looking forward to not having to deal with as part of my job when I eventually retire .
 
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