Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[littlebabyjesus]

Why fit it in? The story is not about the death of his daughter.

Among other problems, it would require a longer caption.

Drawing on your two decades of experience, can you speculate as to why this particular image was chosen ahead of the others available?

 

[leanderman]

And, as I have pointed out, the inquest story on the Mail website gives the full-length picture.

 

[leanderman]

Drawing on your two decades of experience, can you speculate as to why this particular image was chosen ahead of the others available?

I suspect it was lifted from
Facebook.

Other than that it is often a question of trying to get one from the family.

That is a job (the 'death knock') I always found to be the toughest as a reporter.

Other pictures of Duggan are worse: notably that of him with arms around two men jailed for life over a murder-shooting in Streatham.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I suspect it was lifted from
Facebook.

Other than that it is often a question of trying to get one from the family.

That is a job (the 'death knock') I always found to be the toughest as a reporter.

Other pictures of Duggan are worse: notably that of him with arms around two men jailed for life over a murder-shooting in Streatham.

I'm not trying to be funny here, but are you being deliberately thick?

 

[leanderman]

Which paper did you learn layout at?

Express & Echo in Exeter.

 

[leanderman]

I'm not trying to be funny here, but are you being deliberately thick?

No

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No

Look at the image the DM used and the one I found after one single google search. Compare them side-by-side. And have a little think.

 

[leanderman]

Look at the image the DM used and the one I found after one single google search. Compare them side-by-side. And have a little think.

Looks like a school-age photo to me, as a child.

There are many better points to be made on the Duggan case than this.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Looks like a school-age photo to me, as a child.

There are many better points to be made on the Duggan case than this.

The demonisation of their victims is central to the process of police cover-ups.

 

[8ball]

The demonisation of their victims is central to the process of police cover-ups.

As far as the available pics of Duggan go, that was far from the worst that was used (and is Googleable).

I wonder whether the media has some kind of compact over which images they settle on.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nah. Most layout programs allow you dozens of options that don't compromise a headline's point size, and even back in the days when I learned layout at the Daily Express, when we were still using scalpels and cow gum, you were taught that layout depended on what point the editor wanted to make, not on "ooh, it won't fit if we use a full-length photo".

I know.

 

[leanderman]

As far as the available pics of Duggan go, that was far from the worst that was used (and is Googleable).

I wonder whether the media has some kind of compact over which images they settle on.

Not that I know of.

But the choices are informed by the same editorial considerations - and prejudices.

Also rival reporters and snappers tend to work in packs and agree a line or angle on a story so they do not get a bollocking for getting it wrong.

 

[butchersapron]

Also rival reporters and snappers tend to work in packs and agree a line or angle on a story so they do not get a bollocking for getting it wrong.

What would 'getting it wrong' consist of?

 

[leanderman]

What would 'getting it wrong' consist of?

Missing an angle that the other papers have picked up on.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Missing an angle that the other papers have picked up on.

For exam

The BadBwoy Gangster angle which has consistently been propagated and exploited to justify the killing of MD.

For example.

 

[DotCommunist]

lets not forget that the very first reportage of this was a brief sun piece that had Duggan emerging like rambo from the taxi, 'blasting' away. Then inconvenient facts started to pile up- it was a police issue bullet. Nobody saw a gun. etc

but by that point the gangster gangster narrative was set

 

[butchersapron]

Missing an angle that the other papers have picked up on.

I thought that they were all actively trying to present the same angle?

 

[butchersapron]

lets not forget that the very first reportage of this was a brief sun piece that had Duggan emerging like rambo from the taxi, 'blasting' away. Then inconvenient facts started to pile up- it was a police issue bullet. Nobody saw a gun. etc

but by that point the gangster gangster narrative was set

Are you sure of this?

 

[8ball]

The BadBwoy Gangster angle which has consistently been propagated and exploited to justify the killing of MD.

For example.

I think that has only been used as background noise rather than a justification, though I don't doubt a lot of people would be happy to leave it at that, and it probably explains the lack of awkward questions to some degree.

 

[leanderman]

I thought that they were all actively trying to present the same angle?

Exactly. Strength in numbers. But if a rival has another angle you are in trouble.

 

[DotCommunist]

Are you sure of this?

might have the paper wrong, but I'm pretty sure yes.

e2a obviously google is useless atm

 

[Pickman's model]

lets not forget that the very first reportage of this was a brief sun piece that had Duggan emerging like rambo from the taxi, 'blasting' away. Then inconvenient facts started to pile up- it was a police issue bullet. Nobody saw a gun. etc

but by that point the gangster gangster narrative was set

The Daily Telegraph (London)
August 5, 2011 Friday
Edition 2;
National Edition
Officer saved by a radio as 'gangster fires'

BYLINE: Mark Hughes; Murray Wardrop

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 11

LENGTH: 299 words

A POLICEMAN was saved by his radio last night after a gunman fired at him and the bullet hit the device.

Armed police immediately took aim and Mark Duggan, 29, who was under surveillance, was shot dead in the street in north London.

The policeman, who has not been named, was wounded in the shooting and taken to hospital. But last night he was discharged.

Police sources said the dead man was a "well known gangster" being tracked by officers investigating gun crime in Tottenham.

A witness said a police officer shouted to the man to stop "a couple of times" but he had not heeded the warning.

Atouch Bella, 20, who owns a nearby storage facility, said he heard two gunshots in quick succession at 6.10pm while he walked to the local petrol station to buy cigarettes.

"When I heard the gunshots I ran to the petrol station, I was scared," he said.

"The shots were one after the other. After that there weren't any more."

A waitress at a nearby café, who did not wish to be named, said the incident happened a short walk from Tottenham Hale Tube station.

She said: "One man came in and he said he saw police trying to pull some clothes off a man who was bleeding."

Friends of Mr Duggan said his mother Pamela, 52, and younger brother Marlon, 26, with whom he lived, were "in a terrible state" after hearing of his death.

Dozens of mourners gathered last night outside the family's semi-detached house in Tottenham - just two miles from where he was shot dead.

A female family friend, who refused to give her name, said: "His family are still in a complete state of denial, they don't want to believe that he's dead.

"I don't know what he had got mixed up in but it has brought a great deal of pain to the family now."

The incident has been referred to the Metropolitan Police professional standards department.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Exactly. Strength in numbers. But if a rival has another angle you are in trouble.

Where does the truth feature in all this?

 

[butchersapron]

Exactly. Strength in num. But if a rival has another angle you are in troub

So they're all trying to do the same thing but secretly do something very different from each other? Not sure that this explains very much at all.

 

[Pickman's model]

So they're all trying to do the same thing but secretly do something very different from each other? Not sure that this explains very much at all.

it explains a lot. they all want to sing from the same hymn sheet in different keys

 

[DotCommunist]

The Daily Telegraph (London)
August 5, 2011 Friday
Edition 2;
National Edition
Officer saved by a radio as 'gangster fires'

BYLINE: Mark Hughes; Murray Wardrop

SECTION: NEWS; Pg. 11

LENGTH: 299 words

A POLICEMAN was saved by his radio last night after a gunman fired at him and the bullet hit the device.

Armed police immediately took aim and Mark Duggan, 29, who was under surveillance, was shot dead in the street in north London.

The policeman, who has not been named, was wounded in the shooting and taken to hospital. But last night he was discharged.

Police sources said the dead man was a "well known gangster" being tracked by officers investigating gun crime in Tottenham.

A witness said a police officer shouted to the man to stop "a couple of times" but he had not heeded the warning.

Atouch Bella, 20, who owns a nearby storage facility, said he heard two gunshots in quick succession at 6.10pm while he walked to the local petrol station to buy cigarettes.

"When I heard the gunshots I ran to the petrol station, I was scared," he said.

"The shots were one after the other. After that there weren't any more."

A waitress at a nearby café, who did not wish to be named, said the incident happened a short walk from Tottenham Hale Tube station.

She said: "One man came in and he said he saw police trying to pull some clothes off a man who was bleeding."

Friends of Mr Duggan said his mother Pamela, 52, and younger brother Marlon, 26, with whom he lived, were "in a terrible state" after hearing of his death.

Dozens of mourners gathered last night outside the family's semi-detached house in Tottenham - just two miles from where he was shot dead.

A female family friend, who refused to give her name, said: "His family are still in a complete state of denial, they don't want to believe that he's dead.

"I don't know what he had got mixed up in but it has brought a great deal of pain to the family now."

The incident has been referred to the Metropolitan Police professional standards department.

cheers

 

[leanderman]

Where does the truth feature in all this?

A distant second.

 

[likesfish]

lets not forget that the very first reportage of this was a brief sun piece that had Duggan emerging like rambo from the taxi, 'blasting' away. Then inconvenient facts started to pile up- it was a police issue bullet. Nobody saw a gun. etc

but by that point the gangster gangster narrative was set

It would be intresting to see who said what first and what the media just made up
In de menzes case a bloke in a heavy coat did jump the gates as seen by a witness unfortunatly it was one of the cops

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A distant second.

You must be very proud.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It would be intresting to see who said what first and what the media just made up
In de menzes case a bloke in a heavy coat did jump the gates as seen by a witness unfortunatly it was one of the cops

irrc the police themselves were originally putting out the story that Duggan had fired first.

One might almost think that that is what was supposed to have happened.