Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[ViolentPanda]

Interesting piece from Paul Embery regional secretary of the Fire Brigades Union (London region) on the shooting of Duggan. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/paul-embery/mark-duggan-killing_b_4600351.html

Interesting in that Embery spends most of his "article" puffing the police line (Duggan a "convicted criminal with gangster connections" etc). One wonders of he's looking for a Labour seat some time in the near future.

 

[Pickman's model]

View attachment 46539

http://dugganinquest.independent.gov.uk/docs/CD027297.pdf

no need for further conversation on the matter. case closed.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Scriptonite Daily
This is SO important! @halfabear: The media cropped an image of Mark Duggan to create a visual that fit the narrative. Here's the true version. http://t.co/hmDMlx5Hqc

 

[leanderman]

Newspapers usually crop photos. Full-length pix rarely used, other than for models, actresses etc

 

[ddraig]

oh come on!
totally and obviously changes the content

 

[leanderman]

oh come on!
totally and obviously changes the content

Maybe. But head and shoulders are generally preferred, for space reasons

 

[leanderman]

oh come on!
totally and obviously changes the content

The sensitive may want to look away now, but, as an example, this is yesterday's Mail using the picture cropped.

The fuller-length image would not work in that space.

 

[DotCommunist]

are we to assume there were no happy smiling images of Duggan available that would fit the space?

 

[Treacle Toes]

The sensitive may want to look away now, but, as an example, this is yesterday's Mail using the picture cropped.

The fuller-length image would not work in that space.

The full pic would not fit the narrative either, the full pic doesn't fit the narrative and image that has been created of MD. You know full well what the point is.

ETA: I've just scrolled back to previous pages and I see balbi already posted these pics. I'll leave it there.

 

[leanderman]

The full pic would not fit the narrative either, the full pic doesn't fit the narrative and image that has been created of MD. You know full well what the point is.

The full pic doesn't fit this particular page layout. It is as simple as that.

I'll check out the other newspapers if I have time.

 

[Treacle Toes]

The full pic doesn't fit this particular page layout. It is as simple as that.

Yeah okay.

As I have never seen the full pics before I take it they have never fitted the layout of any paper ever? Not even those that had quarter/half page pics of MD in them over the last two years. NEVER once has the full pic fitted the layouts. Must be about space as you say.

 

[DotCommunist]

of course the use of negative images of black people in the mail has been well documented in Flat Earth News.

like it was news to anyone.

 

[leanderman]

Yeah okay.

The full pic is used here on the Mail website.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-marksman-did-not-gun-hand-time.html

 

[newbie]

As I understand it:

• Williams appeal: did have an honestly-held belief
• Duggan inquest: may have had the same.

W
(appeal about) Trial: focus of law and jury deliberation is action of individual and whether or not (BRD) specific law was broken by that individual

D
Inquest: focus on a death and circumstances around it. Verdict of unlawful killing, though BRD, cannot attribute criminal responsibility.

 

[leanderman]

of course the use of negative images of black people in the mail has been well documented in Flat Earth News.

like it was news to anyone.

Terrifyingly accurate book.

 

[ddraig]

The sensitive may want to look away now, but, as an example, this is yesterday's Mail using the picture cropped.

The fuller-length image would not work in that space.

do you or have you ever worked on a news paper or publication?
i know what you are saying but if they wanted to they could fit the portrait pic on there.
the headline could be knocked down a few points, and the text in the last 2 paragraphs under the picture would fit in the other 4 columns leaving the final column for the full sized pic.
if it was a heart wrenching story they would have put it in as that is what they want to portray.
it really isn't difficult.

 

[ddraig]

Yeah okay.

As I have never seen the full pics before I take it they have never fitted the layout of any paper ever? Not even those that had quarter/half page pics of MD in them over the last two years. NEVER once has the full pic fitted the layouts. Must be about space as you say.

init! not like typesetters, layout or design people can change proportions or move them around to fit in easy to use computer packages, no way

 

[leanderman]

do you or have you ever worked on a news paper or publication?.

Yes. I am in my 20th year working in newspapers, the last 12 at nationals.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They will crop to give head shots. That's not the point, imo. The choice of image was made for a reason - because it makes him look like a 'gangster'-type. They could, for instance, have chosen this image:

But didn't.

And there is a reason they didn't.

 

[brogdale]

The full pic is used here on the Mail website.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...shot-dead-marksman-did-not-gun-hand-time.html

...after the verdict. Job done.

 

[ddraig]

Yes. I am in my 20th year working in newspapers, the last 12 at nationals.

well then you should know that if they wanted that pic in full they could and would have fitted it in

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The full pic doesn't fit this particular page layout. It is as simple as that.

Let's be crystal clear about this.

They chose to crop in on an image of him at his daughter's grave rather than him smiling at some happy event.

Anyone making that editorial choice is a total cunt.

Why you didn't see this with your 20 years' experience in papers is beyond me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's be crystal clear about this.

They chose to crop in on an image of him at his daughter's grave rather than him smiling at some happy event.

Anyone making that editorial choice is a total cunt.

Why you didn't see this with your 20 years' experience in papers is beyond me.

the culture has become inherent within leanderman and her/his critical faculties have perhaps withered

 

[butchersapron]

the culture has become inherent within leanderman and her/his critical faculties have perhaps withered

Or he may just be a rotten apple.

 

[butchersapron]

I think posters here may want to have a look at this thread and todays updates.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The sensitive may want to look away now, but, as an example, this is yesterday's Mail using the picture cropped.

The fuller-length image would not work in that space.

Which paper did you learn layout at?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah okay.

As I have never seen the full pics before I take it they have never fitted the layout of any paper ever? Not even those that had quarter/half page pics of MD in them over the last two years. NEVER once has the full pic fitted the layouts. Must be about space as you say.

Nah. Most layout programs allow you dozens of options that don't compromise a headline's point size, and even back in the days when I learned layout at the Daily Express, when we were still using scalpels and cow gum, you were taught that layout depended on what point the editor wanted to make, not on "ooh, it won't fit if we use a full-length photo".

 

[ViolentPanda]

init! not like typesetters, layout or design people can change proportions or move them around to fit in easy to use computer packages, no way

Even in the days before software, it still wasn't exactly difficult to set up half a dozen different layouts of the same story. Boring, though!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Let's be crystal clear about this.

They chose to crop in on an image of him at his daughter's grave rather than him smiling at some happy event.

Anyone making that editorial choice is a total cunt.

Why you didn't see this with your 20 years' experience in papers is beyond me.

I'm sure he does see this.
It's just that it doesn't accord with the angle he's chosen to take (or his paper has chosen to take) on the story.

 

[leanderman]

well then you should know that if they wanted that pic in full they could and would have fitted it in

Why fit it in? The story is not about the death of his daughter.

Among other problems, it would require a longer caption.