Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[ViolentPanda]

Why fit it in? The story is not about the death of his daughter.

Among other problems, it would require a longer caption.

No it wouldn't. All it'd require is an explanatory line under the pic.
You know, as usually happens with pics?

 

[Pickman's model]

Or perhaps he's no longer a journo, but rather (hawk, spit!) a manager.

the worst of both worlds

 

[leanderman]

No it wouldn't. All it'd require is an explanatory line under the pic.
You know, as usually happens with pics?

If the story is about his daughter makes sense to use it full length. Otherwise, in that space, not.

The daughter is irrelevant to the story.

 

[scalyboy]

Anyone making that editorial choice is undoubtedly an arse, but will also be working to their paper's editorial line, which is invariably right-wing, reactionary, and demonising of minorities, especially if they happen to be black, male and working class..

Makes me think of that famous photo of Steven Lawrence where he is smiling for the camera and posing with a clenched fist. It's quite innocous looking, but was that one selected rather than others, because it might make Middle England subliminally think of Black Power militants?

 

[ddraig]

If the story is about his daughter makes sense to use it full length. Otherwise, in that space, not.

The daughter is irrelevant to the story.

do you feel good doing their bidding outside of work as well as in?

 

[scalyboy]

If the story is about his daughter makes sense to use it full length. Otherwise, in that space, not.

The daughter is irrelevant to the story.

Wouldn't it have been good background material though? Imagine his death had been reported as a tragic loss of life to his family and friends (rather than as a precursor to the riots), the complete photo would have been a powerful visual image showing him as a family man?

 

[Pickman's model]

Makes me think of that famous photo of Steven Lawrence where he is smiling for the camera and posing with a clenched fist. It's quite innocous looking, but was that one selected rather than others, because it might make Middle England subliminally think of Black Power militants?

where's Jazzz when you want him?

 

[ddraig]

Wouldn't it have been good background material though? Imagine his death had been reported as a tragic loss of life to his family and friends (rather than as a precursor to the riots), the complete photo would have been a powerful visual image showing him as a family man?

black people with families being responsible?
doesn't fit the story

 

[ViolentPanda]

Looks like a school-age photo to me, as a child.

There are many better points to be made on the Duggan case than this.

If you're a journo then you know that one of the things a story turns on is how it's presented - you can turn a hero into a villain, and a villain into an everyday Joe, depending on how you present the story, and that includes pictures.
Now, I'm not going to contradict your "got it from facebook" possibility, but we both know that you can often accumulate many pictures of someone involved in a case, and that choosing the picture to use is dependant on how your editor wants the story played, and most pic eds develop a feel for what their boss wants.

You say that there are better points to be made, but the presentation of the story in the papers and the broadcast media is probably the primary point that needs to be taken account of. How the story was presented - and how the police were able set the media agenda several times in succession with little media questioning of what was being fed to them - is extremely important. How "the establishment" set the media discourse around the Duggan shooting is extremely important.

 

[Belushi]

Imagine if Duggan was a police officer who had been gunned down. Would they use the cropped version of the picture or the full version of the picture of him at his daughters grave - despite the fact 'the daughter is irrelevant to the story'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The demonisation of their victims is central to the process of police cover-ups.

And the (to me) annoying thing is that the police (or at least the Met's press office) are way ahead of the curve in terms of using the media to their advantage, and the media either don't see it for some reason connected to professional arrogance (plausible 30 years ago, not so much now), or because they don't want to see it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Imagine if Duggan was a police officer who had been gunned down. Would they use the cropped version of the picture or the full version of the picture of him at his daughters grave - despite the fact 'the daughter is irrelevant to the story'.

Of course not. If the editorial decision was "push the heartbreak", then the full-lengther would have gone in, because it'd have bolstered the angle of the story.

 

[ddraig]

Imagine if Duggan was a police officer who had been gunned down. Would they use the cropped version of the picture or the full version of the picture of him at his daughters grave - despite the fact 'the daughter is irrelevant to the story'.

nail on head!!

 

[scalyboy]

where's Jazzz when you want him?

I am Jazzzz

 

[ViolentPanda]

Missing an angle that the other papers have picked up on.

In my day (30 years ago) you'd have been crucified if your editor thought you were agreeing a line with other journos on a major story.

 

[butchersapron]

And the (to me) annoying thing is that the police (or at least the Met's press office) are way ahead of the curve in terms of using the media to their advantage, and the media either don't see it for some reason connected to professional arrogance (plausible 30 years ago, not so much now), or because they don't want to see it.

It's because for two years they are the same thing. Tied together.

 

[silverfish]

similar line ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...police-health-safety-unarmed-anthony-grainger

 

[leanderman]

Of course not. If the editorial decision was "push the heartbreak", then the full-lengther would have gone in, because it'd have bolstered the angle of the story.

Absolutely.

I'll again point out the same company used the full length on its website.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am Jazzzz

you're not as 'loony as jazzz...

 

[miktheword]

If you're a journo then you know that one of the things a story turns on is how it's presented - you can turn a hero into a villain, and a villain into an everyday Joe, depending on how you present the story, and that includes pictures.
you can often accumulate many pictures of someone involved in a case, and that choosing the picture to use is dependant on how your editor wants the story played, and most pic eds develop a feel for what their boss wants.

.

sunday times interviewed and photographed me at home after a violent incident. whilst thinking,and being told I was very careful on what I said, I let my guard down and naively lay down on couch when asked by photographer and also stupidly tightened my hand lying by my head when asked. obviously article appears as me upright along with threatening fist.( jouro did say his editor hated my profession and wanted me to look bad; I hated it too, so wasn't arsed)

I'm sure the OB raised Sillcott's arms above his head before his mug shot Tottenham '85, making them rise again by his side, threateningly, when photo for press was taken.

 

[TopCat]

IPCC issues apology to Duggan family .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25776826

 

[butchersapron]

Keep your eyes on the progress of this:

It plans to ban the practice under which officers are allowed to confer before making statements about police shootings and deaths in custody

 

[leanderman]

Keep your eyes on the progress of this:

Very good point.

Clearly it was allowed, and it should not have been.

 

[scalyboy]

Yes, there are definitely two versions kicking about. Be interested to see the actual records, rather than relying on what the police say the records are.

Seems like there have been reports of two separate Blackberry messages, one to his friends, "Trident have jammed me" and one to his fiance, "The Feds are following me".

 

[likesfish]

So the charity single isnt going to be I fought the law and the law won

 

[Pickman's model]

So the charity single isnt going to be I fought the law and the law won

don't give up your day job

 

[ddraig]

So the charity single isnt going to be I fought the law and the law won

absolute lickspittle shithead

 

[brogdale]

Looks like Newsnight have been following this thread. Piece tonight about the IPCC's false news briefings in the immediate aftermath of the killing and their failure to correct the false impression of a gunfight for many days afterwards.

No link yet becasue it's still being aired.

 

[shygirl]

Lambeth Community Police Consultative Group meeting tonight at Karibou Centre to discuss community confidence in the police following the Mark Duggan case. 6 - 9 pm.

 

[MrSki]

Duggan family win judicial review challenging coroner's directions to jury on lawful killing.

In ruling appeal court say "arguable" lawful killing verdict "cannot stand". Other ground rejected.

http://t.co/RZZjJcWV00