Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[Fozzie Bear]

The 3rd anniversary vigil of Duggan's death tonight was more sparsely attended than the one in January, which is hardly surprising as that one was a Saturday afternoon and this one was Monday evening. Probably about 100 people.

The speakers included Carol Duggan, the mother of Joy Gardner, a relative of Kingsley Burrell, the mother of Christoper Alder, local trade union members (one of whom was also SWP), Winston Silcott, and a preacher from Broadwater Farm.

The traffic on Ferry Lane (a major thoroughfare) was stopped by police throughout most of the vigil.

There was a van full of cops parked up in Tottenham retail park afterwards - and a man standing in the doorway of Carphone Warehouse looking all determined. But they needn't have bothered.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Spotted in an Economist article:

...The shooting of Mark Duggan, a known gangster...

The same piece also remarks:

...the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, an innocent Brazilian...

I guess the lesson is, the unsubstantiated claims of the Met Press Bureau are acceptable so long as they support your argument; but if they don't, then best not repeat the whole ‘overstaying, cokeheaded rapist in an unseasonably heavy coat jumping the ticket barriers and generally looking well suspicious and swarthy’ line.

 

[likesfish]

The heavy coat jumping came from an eyewitness describing the met police
Proving eyewitnesses can be pretty ropy

 

[butchersapron]

The heavy coat jumping came from an eyewitness describing the met police
Proving eyewitnesses can be pretty ropy

Not true - it/they came from the police - specifically C2 in the case of the bulky jacket. This is why the IPCC said that the police had deliberately misled the public by lying.

 

[MrSki]

 

[DaveCinzano]

Request for judicial review into coroner's ‘lawful killing’ finding rejected:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29611987

 

[DaveCinzano]

Statement by solicitor Marcia Willis Stewart on behalf of Carole Duggan:

I am unable to be at the High Court today. My client, Mark's mother, Pamela Duggan, has nevertheless asked me say on her behalf that she is extremely disappointed at the judgment that has just been handed down.

She remains deeply distressed about the death of her son and the circumstances in which it occurred and has instructed the legal team to lodge an appeal. To this end the application may be made before the court today.

As there is another matter related to the death of Mark Duggan being heard in the Court of Appeal today and tomorrow, which is the case in relation to ‘conferring’, it would not be appropriate for me to comment any further at this stage.​

http://www.inquest.org.uk/media/pr/...decision-to-dismiss-claim-for-judicial-review

 

[krink]

The rejection today is what the phrase 'depressing inevitability' seems to have been created for. Where is the justice?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Judgment in R (Delezuch) -v- Chief Constable and R (Duggan) -v- ACPO: both applications for judicial review turned down.

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-cont...elezuch-v-chief-constable-r-duggan-v-acpo.pdf

Trivia fans will be excited to know that representing ACPO in this was John Beggs, the reformed animal rights spokesman-turned-well-remunerated pro-police silk who has been doing such good work insulting the Hillsborough dead of late.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Mark Duggan documents lost in the post, ministers admit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...cuments-lost-in-the-post-ministers-admit.html

Presumably as they are computer discs, there are copies.

Still stinks though.

 

[ddraig]

thought they had their own courier service?

 

[brogdale]

thought they had their own courier service?

privatised?

 

[quiquaquo]

Mark Duggan documents lost in the post, ministers admit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...cuments-lost-in-the-post-ministers-admit.html

Presumably as they are computer discs, there are copies.

Still stinks though.

Copies?

No point losing them in the post if there are copies surely.

 

[ddraig]

privatised?

ah! that figures then
ta

 

[laptop]

Presumably as they are computer discs, there are copies.

I had to read the BBC story twice to work out that the concern is not loss of data.

It's privacy: specifically, the names and addresses of witnesses Including police

 

[DaveCinzano]

I had to read the BBC story twice to work out that the concern is not loss of data.

It's privacy: specifically, the names and addresses of witnesses Including police

Especially in the light of the disclosures in the Azelle Rodney case, or rather, the naming of Tony Long.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The Daily Mail is going with a photo of Duggan and "Police gunmen and jurors at risk after data is lost in the post"

Data also relates to the murder of [edited, see below] Robert Hamill, which I'd guess is more of an issue.

 

[Idris2002]

The Daily Mail is going with a photo of Duggan and "Police gunmen and jurors at risk after data is lost in the post"

Data also relates to the murder of Loyalist Robert Hamill, which I'd guess is more of an issue.

Hamill was a Catholic murdered by a loyalist mob (while police sat in their van and watched). I remember the Shinners doing murals of him on the Ormeau road when I was living there.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Hamill was a Catholic murdered by a loyalist mob (while police sat in their van and watched). I remember the Shinners doing murals of him on the Ormeau road when I was living there.

Apologies. Was furtively reading a relative's copy of the paper.

 

[Idris2002]

Apologies. Was furtively reading a relative's copy of the paper.

No worries. That furtive reading will get you every time.

 

[8ball]

The jury were told plenty about the teleporting gun and swallowed it whole.
I don't see that 'facts' were the problem, really.

 

[brogdale]

Well, well well...

Mark Duggan was probably throwing a handgun away when he was shot by officers, the police watchdog has said.

He was under Metropolitan Police surveillance when he was shot in Tottenham in August 2011, sparking England-wide riots.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) found the operation targeting Mr Duggan was "appropriate".

Its three-and-a-half-year investigation cleared the Metropolitan Police of any wrongdoing.

According to the IPCC's report, the "most plausible explanation" was that Mr Duggan was in the process of throwing the weapon away when a police officer fired two shots at him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32041119

 

[DotCommunist]

jimmy hill

 

[SpookyFrank]

According to the IPCC's report, the "most plausible explanation" was that Mr Duggan was in the process of throwing the weapon away when a police officer fired two shots at him.

It's only the most plausible scenario if you discount the possibility of coppers fudging both their statements and the physical evidence.

 

[Dowie]

given how cheap they are these days I'd hope that body cameras and dashboard cameras will be required as standard going forward

 

[Mr.Bishie]

given how cheap they are these days I'd hope that body cameras and dashboard cameras will be required as standard going forward

Doesn't mean jack shit sadly. Evidence can be lost or erased as seen fit to protect themselves.

 

[BlackArab]

What's the point in wasting money on trials & inquiries? Why not just find them innocent before they even got the guns back in the holsters and save everyones fucking time and money.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well, well well...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32041119

There was I thinking that it wasn't the IPCC's job to establish the most plausible explanation for Mark Duggan being killed, but to establish what actually happened.
The IPCC has just shat away the last few ounces of credibility they might have had.

 

[Pickman's model]

There was I thinking that it wasn't the IPCC's job to establish the most plausible explanation for Mark Duggan being killed, but to establish what actually happened.
The IPCC has just shat away the last few ounces of credibility they might have had.

just the auld pca under another name.

 

[ViolentPanda]

just the auld pca under another name.

Pretty much. The names might be different, but the pig-succouring is just the same.