Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[weltweit]

But it's bollocks, it's saying the opposite. Ill educated clerics not doing justice and not providing ISIS jobs for ISIS people?
"And in the meantime, the jihadists' strategists count their victories."

He goes on to explain how IS wants to generate discomfort among muslims in western societies to increase volunteers, and that this is happening in places like the UK where anti muslim sentiment is on the rise.

 

[butchersapron]

For the hard of reading: The title is the bit in blue!

So say something.

 

[Buckaroo]

For the hard of reading: The title is the bit in blue!

And the argument is the bit in black and it's piss poor.

 

[weltweit]

So say something.

Why could you not see the article title in my original post? Could you only see the URL? or were you just being argumentative as usual.

 

[butchersapron]

Why could you not see the article title in my original post? Could you only see the URL? or were you just being argumentative as usual.

I missed it. I didn't miss you saying nothing. Then defending saying nothing on the basis that you might effect peoples views (you really don't).

 

[weltweit]

And the argument is the bit in black and it's piss poor.

I think the conclusion which I quoted has some grounds actually, IS wants to draw westerners in because this will increase their support, assuming they survive which is likely and then western forces will be back in the situation they faced when occupying Iraq, i.e. a no win situation.

 

[2hats]

Could be bullshit but hanover (germ-neth) reports of ambulance packed with explosives. Treat with caution.

Channel 4 news have reported the same (as unconfirmed) just now.

 

[Buckaroo]

He goes on to explain how IS wants to generate discomfort among muslims in western societies to increase volunteers, and that this is happening in places like the UK where anti muslim sentiment is on the rise.

So how is that anything to do with how they will fail?

 

[Orang Utan]

I think the conclusion which I quoted has some grounds actually, IS wants to draw westerners in because this will increase their support, assuming they survive which is likely and then western forces will be back in the situation they faced when occupying Iraq, i.e. a no win situation.

I know this is a big thread, but you would do well to read the excellent analysis contained within, as well as many of the links provided. You may then understand why BA might be miffed at contributions that don't provide any analysis or opinions. Sometimes it's best to just read and say nowt til you get a better grip.

 

[weltweit]

So how is that anything to do with how they will fail?

As I recall the argument to IS failure is primarily because their atrocities are repelling more than they are attracting. That and their inability to administer their caliphate effectively.

 

[weltweit]

I know this is a big thread, but you would do well to read the excellent analysis contained within, as well as many of the links provided. You may then understand why BA might be miffed at contributions that don't provide any analysis or opinions. Sometimes it's best to just read and say nowt til you get a better grip.

Thanks for your advice OU, I actually am reading a lot more than commenting, but I object to the notion that this thread belongs to a particular poster, because it does not.

 

[Buckaroo]

As I recall the argument to IS failure is primarily because their atrocities are repelling more than they are attracting. That and their inability to administer their caliphate effectively.

"But right now, the victories just keep coming at an astonishing rate. Before 9/11, advocates of jihadist violence were little-known, irrelevant figures: misfits on the margin, rejected by their own societies and ignored by the West. How different it looks today.
The Americans have been humbled in Iraq and Afghanistan. The caliphate has been established. Al-Shabab in Somalia and Boko Haram in Nigeria have attracted tens of thousands of fighters. And all the while, the West looks on, transfixed, unsure what is coming next."

 

[bi0boy]

Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning? Of course it was relevant it's title is "Why IS will eventually fail - BBC News"!

I think butchersapron has the right side of his bed against the wall.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sorry for being rude weltweit but you do my head in with your nothing and repition of what has already been discussed. Don't turn up after work without bothering to read what's happened ans posted since you got up. Sometimes, just read the thread.

 

[Flavour]

fucking hell seems I was wrong about Hannover, police telling people to get to safety and not to stay out in groups. shit.

 

[laptop]

Channel 4 news have reported the same (as unconfirmed) just now.

Is that this: BBC Sport - Germany v Netherlands friendly called off after security threat

Germany's friendly with the Netherlands on Tuesday has been called off because of a "concrete security threat" against the city of Hannover.

 

[frogwoman]

 

[weltweit]

I'm sorry for being rude weltweit but you do my head in with your nothing and repition of what has already been discussed. Don't turn up after work without bothering to read what's happened ans posted since you got up. Sometimes, just read the thread.

It might be better if you just put me on ignore!!

 

[StoneRoad]

Just listened to Wembley - full house singing "La Marseillaise" !

(hope that the security has a quiet night after all their efforts today)

 

[Fingers]

Mirror are reporting an ambulance packed with explosives outside the stadium

Ambulance 'packed full of explosives' found in front German national stadium

Pinch of salt for the moment...

 

[frogwoman]

How did they get hold of an ambulance?

 

[teqniq]

Death threats sent to manager after post about Paris attacks goes viral

A restaurant manager who received worldwide attention after a post he wrote on Facebook in the aftermath of the Paris attacks went viral says he has received death threats.

Leigh Matthews, 30, was on his way to work on Saturday when he penned the post pleading with the public not to victimise all Muslims for the actions of a tiny minority of violent extremists.

It has been shared more than 54,000 times and received attention from around the world, but while much of the response has been positive Leigh has also received threats to him and his family.

 

[telbert]

a second stadium in Hannover has been evacuated.
Sorry no link but being reported on sky news now.

 

[Flavour]

twitter now saying no explosives were found at stadium

 

[bluescreen]

 

[Idris2002]

The local landed minister of justice and the chief of police seem to be contradicting each other over whether or not explosives have been found.

 

[bluescreen]

De Maizière (German regional minister) said that the information came from a foreign source. The central train station is partially closed off, as are some public transport stops.

He also said German chancellor Angela Merkel, who was due to attend the match, flew back home to Berlin after being alerted of the threat.

The press conference is now over.

Paris attacks: Germany on alert after 'concrete plan' to attack stadium – live

 

[bluescreen]

There's going to be a lot of this, isn't there.

 

[Idris2002]

But it does seem to have been a false alarm now.

 

[bendeus]

Just listened to Wembley - full house singing "La Marseillaise" !

(hope that the security has a quiet night after all their efforts today)

No doubt the England fans enjoyed the fleeting sensation of singing something with a bit of oomph rather than the usual dirge