Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[Tony_LeaS]

BBC are probably waiting for 100% confirmation before announcing.

Hollande said he knew who did it but didn't announce names. Simple assumption or already been confirmed?

 

[brogdale]

TBF thanks to the economic issues around the PIGS countries, the migrant crisis, unemployment, global competition and attacks like this the EU is probably going to be radically different in the next three or four years. It will have to be.

Schengen was pretty ill as it was, this might well finish it off?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Yeah, lots of kneejerking everywhere. On Al-Jazeera too. Fuck the fuck off, twats. Are you helping right now?

Communications interception has prevented some attacks like this in the UK. that's a fact. One to discuss later, perhaps, but not all security is mindless theatre, or surveillance for its own sake.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

TBF thanks to the economic issues around the PIGS countries, the migrant crisis, unemployment, global competition and attacks like this the EU is probably going to be radically different in the next three or four years. It will have to be.

If any of the attackers turn out to have arrived as refugees, we're in for a hurricane of nasty shit.

 

[Diamond]

Apparently military folk being sent in - I wonder how quickly they can put in place a plan to make an assault on the concert hall.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Communications interception has prevented some attacks like this in the UK. that's a fact. One to discuss later, perhaps, but not all security is mindless theatre, or surveillance for its own sake.

But for later. There are still hostages now.

 

[brogdale]

If any of the attackers turn out to have arrived as refugees, we're in for a hurricane of nasty shit.

Le Pen & ilk won't need that to be a fact.

 

[bluescreen]

Is it true that these attacks have the dual aim of killing enemies and causing a backlash which drives other innocent but persecuted people into the arms of IS? And if this is blindingly obvious, why do so many play into the second aim?

 

[Manter]

And officially closing the borders will mean lots of nasty shit for people trying to cross them. Particularly inconveniently Muslim people

 

[IC3D]

I think its been fairly clear that France has been hosting some very active islamist cells for a long time. There are many Arabic speakers from north Africa which makes connections to the ME far easier than say for UK Bangladeshi or Pakisatani jihadis who I've heard get a harder time and may be more on the perifery of current events

 

[kenny g]

Just logged in but would like to express my love for Paris. Took my daughter there exactly a year ago for the first time for her tenth birthday. A special place that is well worth defending and I can fully understand why it is seen as a target. Solidarity.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

But for later. There are still hostages now.

I agree, it's also understandable why rolling news get their security experts out of bed to opine. We're all thinking ahead about what this will mean.

 

[Tony_LeaS]

If any of the attackers turn out to have arrived as refugees, we're in for a hurricane of nasty shit.

People already kicking a fuss on Twitter about it. I feel like if the attackers are identified as refugees then there's no chance in hell for thousands of them.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I think its been fairly clear that France has been hosting some very active islamist cells for a long time. There are many Arabic speakers from north Africa which makes connections to the ME far easier than say for UK Bangladeshi or Pakisatani jihadis who I've heard get a harder time and may be more on the perifery of current events

Much easier to get guns there as well, a reporter just said. Not that she was a mate.

 

[IC3D]

Maurice Picarda wouldn't trust her then

 

[DexterTCN]

Police storm the hall...we're probably 10-15 minutes behind.

 

[uk benzo]

Aljazeera reporting a total of 4 separate attacks: Cambodian resto, stade de France, bataclan and rue de charon.

 

[agricola]

Schengen was pretty ill as it was, this might well finish it off?

Perhaps this discussion should be on another thread, but I was more thinking that this will strengthen it - "ever closer union" was always going to lead to a point where the member states had to decide whether or not to actually amalgamate. The refugee crisis by itself (but supported by the attacks that France and other EU states have seen over the past few years) suggests that we are at that point now. (edit) States like France and Germany can, after all, no longer leave

 

[brogdale]

Perhaps this discussion should be on another thread, but I was more thinking that this will strengthen it - "ever closer union" was always going to lead to a point where the member states had to decide whether or not to actually amalgamate or not. The refugee crisis by itself (but supported by the attacks that France and other EU states have seen over the past few years) suggests that we are at that point now.

Yes, probably for another place/time, but it's been obvious that states have been looking to close free movement...this gives them the opportunity.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Perhaps this discussion should be on another thread, but I was more thinking that this will strengthen it - "ever closer union" was always going to lead to a point where the member states had to decide whether or not to actually amalgamate or not. The refugee crisis by itself (but supported by the attacks that France and other EU states have seen over the past few years) suggests that we are at that point now.

People have been predicting a 'fortress Europe' for many years now. Full-on, with gunboats patrolling it. It does feel like we may be at a tipping point at the moment - walls going up, etc. This can only fuel that.

 

[bluescreen]

Perhaps this discussion should be on another thread, but I was more thinking that this will strengthen it - "ever closer union" was always going to lead to a point where the member states had to decide whether or not to actually amalgamate or not. The refugee crisis by itself (but supported by the attacks that France and other EU states have seen over the past few years) suggests that we are at that point now.

Yeah, worth starting a Future of Schengen thread. I see your point but don't agree, and this doesn't seem to be the place to be talking about it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Incredible. State of emergency.

From the perspective of the authorities, it's rational. It means that they can clear the streets in short order, then execute the shooters - or not - with little oversight, and little danger of any legal comeback.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Twitter actually seems to be self-policing re discussing movement of forces around the concert hall. Which is grown up of it.

 

[frogwoman]

Jesus is it definitely confirmed daesh and not fash?

 

[bluescreen]

From the perspective of the authorities, it's rational. It means that they can clear the streets in short order, then execute the shooters - or not - with little oversight, and little danger of any legal comeback.

What, without a proper trial?

 

[8den]

Fuck off, you complete idiot. You want to make this a thread about how fucking outraged you are about me!

Get to fuck, you egotistical twat.

Says the guy with the "journo mate".

 

[LDC]

Jesus is it definitely confirmed daesh and not fash?

Not confirmed at all yet, but looking the most likely of the options.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Jesus is it definitely confirmed daesh and not fash?

A bit heavily armed and effective to be screwdriver fans Froggy. Marine Le Pen must be loving it, somewhere in her dark inner soul, though.

 

[DexterTCN]

Says the guy with the "journo mate".

can you not?

We're all listening/reading anything we can just now. This could be terrible.

 

[brogdale]

What, without a proper trial?

Surviving Mumbai attacker got one.