Many dead in coordinated Paris shootings and explosions

[Dowie]

Sure I will regret this in the morning but..

There would be no 911 without Israeli abuse of Palestiniians with American and British support. Britain and America have well and truly took the piss. Understaement that and possibly inappropriate but it seems to be history repeating. Don't tackle the real grievences.

Nah I thought 9/11 was supposed to be the result of anger over US troops being stationed in Saudi? Al Quaeda existed partly as a result of the fight against the soviet occupation of Afghanistan and bin laden was particularly upset when US(infidel) troops were deployed in Saudi after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

Granted the support of Israel doesn't win any favours in the arab world but in that instance i don't think it was a big factor or even a factor at all.

 

[Humberto]

who are they primarily targeting in iraq? Its shia, its christians, yezidis etc

And people in iraq who half heartedly join dsesh (in the absence of other more effective/non sectarian options) are going to have VERY different motivations, conditions of life, psychological profile, from someone whose from france and has lived all their life in the west ffs

I dont think this simplistic shit coming from either pov helps anyone

Its repetition now. Lets be clever instead.

Its the British upper classe's fault. defeat them. They are (serious) the biggest cunts in the universe. The world waits for us.

 

[JimW]

Trudeau being interviewed on France 24 and reporters already raising whether he should go ahead with repeals of surveillance laws.

 

[xenon]

On second thoughts, I'm not going to read this thread. Too many armchair experts.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You're confusing your personal beliefs with the nutters out tonight.

No I'm not. If you think killing children is ok in the name of your political cause, then you are lost.

That applies quite widely.

 

[shifting gears]

This is not the place to discuss the Irish Republican movement.

 

[quimcunx]

Is there any truth in the photos and comments on social media that the Jungle in Calais has been set ablaze tonight?

There was a fire in the camp tonight. It was most likely accidental. They happen sometimes. It is now out and at this point we have no reason to believe it was deliberate.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

This is a war though. It's lots of wars, really, like all big ones are. All sorts of economic, ethnic, religious, resource scarcity, ideological tensions grinding together like tectonic plates. We are only at the pre-quake tremor stage too.

 

[Humberto]

Would you plant a bomb in rush hour traffic of commuters trying to get to work from the wrong area - living in an area that indicates they are in the wrong sect. Thats what daesh's attacks have mostly consisted of in iraq its been mostly sectarian attacks on civilians. Of course we should never have invaded but this is not wholly to do with western actions, it never has been

Eta: and again an ill-educated iraqi tribesman who is economically coerced into joining daesh as a self protection against shia militias and the other warring factions out there has grown up in a TOTALLY different environment to someone in europe for whom other options are there, for whom state/other assistance (however limited) is available, for whom direct exposure to warfare is almost certainly going to be indirect etc

Theres no comparison at all

I would. I'd do worse. Sorry for the derail but I would, and that is the problem.

 

[frogwoman]

The IRA as much as i dislike them were fairly limited in their geopolitical aims and their support was based on some fairly horrific stuff by the loyalists and british military/colonial state structures

They never wanted to impose a theocracy or think that music was evil or women shouldnt go outside or well anything really

They can be compared to hamas and similar organisations


Daesh (or their support in the west) are a totally different kettle of fish

 

[frogwoman]

I would. I'd do worse. Sorry for the derail but I would, and that is the problem.

How do we know that the people doing this attack had any direct connection with relatives etc in the war in syria beyond possibly going to fight in it and fucking up everything even more for everyone.

 

[DotCommunist]

can't help think that the packed confined space + crowd such as the concert hall is what they've been after doing for ages. Ability to secure exits and take all captive etc. Moscow.

 

[frogwoman]

Beslan.

 

[DrRingDing]

No I'm not. If you think killing children is ok in the name of your political cause, then you are lost.

That applies quite widely.

This isn't about your crappy liberalism.

 

[Libnat]

'Muzzies' didn't do this. Cunts did this, vile, murdering cunts and nothing more.

Now kindly fuck off and play with the toaster.

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

 

[frogwoman]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

Fuck off prick

 

[JimW]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

And now we're paying for letting you in, you shitestain. Won't be much longer I'd guess though.

 

[frogwoman]

A lot of idiocy on here tonight, im going bed

 

[Wilf]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

Just go away. A night like this really doesn't need toxic racist shit.

 

[J Ed]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

You will be banned soon. Good.

 

[Humberto]

Its our ruling class who have caused all this and are causing all this

 

[Manter]

Oh please. We're trying to get out news in the only way most of us can. Don't be so bloody self righteous. If you know people in the camps keep us posted, otherwise wind your fucking neck in.

I, Rutita1 and quimcunx have posted the facts about what happened in Calais tonight repeatedly. I don't really care what one or two people think: the important thing is that people who read this thread are clear:
-there was a fire. Tonight.
- It is probable it was an accident- current best thinking is a candle.
- there is no evidence it was far right, revenge attacks etc
- No refugees were hurt to our knowledge: but there is inadequate power so a full assessment of the damage will have to wait till daylight.
- refugees who have lost everything (again) are being pitched tents and given blankets.
- There are volunteers on the ground helping, and the border police assure is there will be no issues with people coming over tomorrow, though security is likely to be tight.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

Go stick your dick in a fucking bees nest you boring tit.

 

[DrRingDing]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

Make an effort ffs

 

[Favelado]

Muzzie cunts. France paying for letting them all in.

I hadn't thought of this before. You've changed my mind and now I agree with you. Well done.

 

[J Ed]

I, Rutita1 and quimcunx have posted the facts about what happened in Calais tonight repeatedly. I don't really care what one or two people think: the important thing is that people who read this thread are clear:
-there was a fire. Tonight.
- It is probable it was an accident- current best thinking is a candle.
- there is no evidence it was far right, revenge attacks etc
- No refugees were hurt to our knowledge: but there is inadequate power so a full assessment of the damage will have to wait till daylight.
- refugees who have lost everything (again) are being pitched tents and given blankets.
- There are volunteers on the ground helping, and the border police assure is there will be no issues with people coming over tomorrow, though security is likely to be tight.

There will be revenge attacks though, and ones that exceeded those in response to the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and counter-attacks following that..

 

[lizzieloo]

 

[quimcunx]

There will be revenge attacks though, and ones that exceeded those in response to the Charlie Hebdo attacks, and counter-attacks following that..

The events in Paris will be bad news for the refugees. I don't have any doubts about that.

 

[J Ed]

 

[frogwoman]

Over 160 dead now