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It makes sense tactically.


It is an attack on everyone.


And any attempt to understand this in terms of extremism will fail. Is failing.
OK, I'll bite. Who's attacking everyone? And if extremism isn't a useful parameter for understanding it, what is?
 
Please, manter. This is not a place to fight.
So stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. There was a fire in the jungle tonight. People are without shelter, having lost everything all over again. There are bewildered refugees in tears, volunteers trying to find them somewhere to go.

Misinformation from revenge attacks at one extreme to the fire being a hoax at the other does not help anyone.
 
And I was stating the BBC. There is a great deal of confusion at the moment and we do not know what is going on. Nobody does. It was initially reported by the BBC that it could be possible revenge attacks!
 
Besides a big motivation for the syrian/IS jihad came from atrocities by assad who until very recently the west wanted rid of.

You're in the right track but you're badly mistaken if you think that ISIS would stop doing what they're doing if the state/s stopped being at war. Especially if you think of the fact that countries such as indonesia and the phillipines with very little to do with 'the war on terror' have significant problems with jihadi groups
 
Why do they like bombing people in shia neighbourhoods of bahgdad trying to get to work?

Some will be pissed off at imperialism

Others will think its gods will that he wants them to set up a caliphate and death to anyone that disobeys

others will just be cunts

Plus any number of other reasons ...

Assuming you can invade iraq? They always make things worse and have for fifteen years. If my daughter or sister had been blown up I'd chop heads off. You know you would too.
 
OK, I'll bite. Who's attacking everyone? And if extremism isn't a useful parameter for understanding it, what is?

There are people on here who will justify IRA attacks - the killing of innocents - in the name of a political aim.

That justification - I think there is never one, btw, if that's what you're doing, you've lost - is what is in operation here.
 
And I was stating the BBC. There is a great deal of confusion at the moment and we do not know what is going on. Nobody does. It was initially reported by the BBC that it could be possible revenge attacks!
Please please please stop posting this crap. What is going on is very clear. The only people confused are the BBC and some conspiracy theorists.
 
Assuming you can invade iraq? They always make things worse and have for fifteen years. If my daughter or sister had been blown up I'd chop heads off. You know you would too.

who are they primarily targeting in iraq? Its shia, its christians, yezidis etc

And people in iraq who half heartedly join dsesh (in the absence of other more effective/non sectarian options) are going to have VERY different motivations, conditions of life, psychological profile, from someone whose from france and has lived all their life in the west ffs

I dont think this simplistic shit coming from either pov helps anyone
 
Well I guess it is war but that fuckwit thinks it's a war against anyone who looks like a Muslim.

To add to this it's precisely this sort of shit that causes alarm. Within hours that prick has come out and said this is war, a far right prick ahead in the polls is about to move more ahead in the polls as a result of this.
 
Assuming you can invade iraq? They always make things worse and have for fifteen years. If my daughter or sister had been blown up I'd chop heads off. You know you would too.

Would you plant a bomb in rush hour traffic of commuters trying to get to work from the wrong area - living in an area that indicates they are in the wrong sect. Thats what daesh's attacks have mostly consisted of in iraq its been mostly sectarian attacks on civilians. Of course we should never have invaded but this is not wholly to do with western actions, it never has been

Eta: and again an ill-educated iraqi tribesman who is economically coerced into joining daesh as a self protection against shia militias and the other warring factions out there has grown up in a TOTALLY different environment to someone in europe for whom other options are there, for whom state/other assistance (however limited) is available, for whom direct exposure to warfare is almost certainly going to be indirect etc

Theres no comparison at all
 
Please please please stop posting this crap. What is going on is very clear. The only people confused are the BBC and some conspiracy theorists.

Oh please. We're trying to get out news in the only way most of us can. Don't be so bloody self righteous. If you know people in the camps keep us posted, otherwise wind your fucking neck in.
 
There are people on here who will justify IRA attacks - the killing of innocents - in the name of a political aim.

That justification - I think there is never one, btw, if that's what you're doing, you've lost - is what is in operation here.
I'm sorry, you've lost me. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm trying to understand. You were suggesting that extremism wasn't an explanation so I wondered what your explanation is. James Foley's mother is more optimistic than me in her hope for dialogue and understanding but you seemed to have some insight. I'm finding it very hard to imagine there could be any negotiation or anything 'we' might consider conceding to them in return for a quiet life.
 
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