bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
OK, I'll bite. Who's attacking everyone? And if extremism isn't a useful parameter for understanding it, what is?
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quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
She's not fighting. She's trying to clearly state what HAS happened in Calais tonight.
Manter
Lunch Mob
So stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. There was a fire in the jungle tonight. People are without shelter, having lost everything all over again. There are bewildered refugees in tears, volunteers trying to find them somewhere to go.
Misinformation from revenge attacks at one extreme to the fire being a hoax at the other does not help anyone.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You've missed the point, which is tha
And I was stating the BBC. There is a great deal of confusion at the moment and we do not know what is going on. Nobody does. It was initially reported by the BBC that it could be possible revenge attacks!
rekil
to menny cranks
That's from the charlie hebdo attack. See the date.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Cheers, I'll delete. Never imagined Twitter might lie to me!
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
This was a religious attack. Clearly.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Besides a big motivation for the syrian/IS jihad came from atrocities by assad who until very recently the west wanted rid of.
You're in the right track but you're badly mistaken if you think that ISIS would stop doing what they're doing if the state/s stopped being at war. Especially if you think of the fact that countries such as indonesia and the phillipines with very little to do with 'the war on terror' have significant problems with jihadi groups
You're in the right track but you're badly mistaken if you think that ISIS would stop doing what they're doing if the state/s stopped being at war. Especially if you think of the fact that countries such as indonesia and the phillipines with very little to do with 'the war on terror' have significant problems with jihadi groups
Humberto
Relax
Assuming you can invade iraq? They always make things worse and have for fifteen years. If my daughter or sister had been blown up I'd chop heads off. You know you would too.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
There are people on here who will justify IRA attacks - the killing of innocents - in the name of a political aim.
That justification - I think there is never one, btw, if that's what you're doing, you've lost - is what is in operation here.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Well I guess it is war but that fuckwit thinks it's a war against anyone who looks like a Muslim.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Please please please stop posting this crap. What is going on is very clear. The only people confused are the BBC and some conspiracy theorists.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
who are they primarily targeting in iraq? Its shia, its christians, yezidis etc
And people in iraq who half heartedly join dsesh (in the absence of other more effective/non sectarian options) are going to have VERY different motivations, conditions of life, psychological profile, from someone whose from france and has lived all their life in the west ffs
I dont think this simplistic shit coming from either pov helps anyone
rekil
to menny cranks
Nothing controversial this time.
I did a twittersearch for "nuke" and the results were every bit as poor as you'd expect.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No it wasn't. Any more than the IRA bombings or the UVF killings were.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
I've heard the word God too many times on this thread.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
You're confusing your personal beliefs with the nutters out tonight.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
To add to this it's precisely this sort of shit that causes alarm. Within hours that prick has come out and said this is war, a far right prick ahead in the polls is about to move more ahead in the polls as a result of this.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Would you plant a bomb in rush hour traffic of commuters trying to get to work from the wrong area - living in an area that indicates they are in the wrong sect. Thats what daesh's attacks have mostly consisted of in iraq its been mostly sectarian attacks on civilians. Of course we should never have invaded but this is not wholly to do with western actions, it never has been
Eta: and again an ill-educated iraqi tribesman who is economically coerced into joining daesh as a self protection against shia militias and the other warring factions out there has grown up in a TOTALLY different environment to someone in europe for whom other options are there, for whom state/other assistance (however limited) is available, for whom direct exposure to warfare is almost certainly going to be indirect etc
Theres no comparison at all
gimesumtruf
pedant fodder
So very, very unsurprising, all of it.
shifting gears
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Oh please. We're trying to get out news in the only way most of us can. Don't be so bloody self righteous. If you know people in the camps keep us posted, otherwise wind your fucking neck in.
unrepentant85
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bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I'm sorry, you've lost me. I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm trying to understand. You were suggesting that extremism wasn't an explanation so I wondered what your explanation is. James Foley's mother is more optimistic than me in her hope for dialogue and understanding but you seemed to have some insight. I'm finding it very hard to imagine there could be any negotiation or anything 'we' might consider conceding to them in return for a quiet life.
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