surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
How I miss those days of Coppell and Gordon Hill on the wings......
Man United 2021-24, 'Best of the Rest'
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Bruno Fernandes will be on the shortlist . It was Ronaldos agent , Mendes, that spoke directly to the club about replacing Ole with Lopetegui.
Penaldo... Are you 12? Might be time to admit if there's one thing you can't question about Ronaldo it's his overall goalscoring record.
In his day maybe
rekil
to menny cranks
I lost pre season friendlies to huddersfield and french division 2 no hopers so changed the formation to 4-1-2-1-2 and tinkered with tactics. I might as well start househunting now. I sacked Fletcher as well cos his stats are shit and brought in an Italian bloke instead.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
on his afternoon if he was luckyIn his day maybe
surreybrowncap
“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand"
United release shortlist for the vacant manager role.....
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Think how much better off they would have been if they had given Moyes the time & money to spend on players & to build his team rather than spunk it on paying off all the managers they have had to.
Must be well pissed off to see what he is doing at West Ham on a limited budget.
It's all about managerial profile. Moyes is perfect to get small-middling clubs playing really, really well and finishing higer than expected; did it at Preston, Everton and now West Ham.
He (in hindsight) simply didn't have the profile or credibility to take the Man U job when he did. The expectations were in a different universe to winning League One with Preston or finishing a reliable 4th / 5th every season with Everton. He couldn't handle these expectations, and I suspect having been an austere and authoritarian figurehead in his earlier jobs, that shit didn't fly in a dressing room stocked full of egos that make P Diddy look positively Buddhist in comparison. Plus whoever took over from a club legend was always going to be on a hiding to nothing.
Moyes and West Ham have turned out to be a perfect fit. Can see him being there a long time after his stock lost so much value following the debacle at Man U, fired by Sociedad, relegated with perennial basket case Sunderland.
Plenty managers have profiles that fit really well at particular types of club or job. Billy Bingham became a legendary Northern Ireland manager but had a very mediocre club career at clubs from Mansfield to Everton. "Cookie" Coleman- a really good international manager but a clapped out hasbeen at club level, a failure everywhere apart from possibly his spell at Fulham. Emery has done really well at various clubs in Spain but was a disaster in north London. See also Nuno Espirito Santo at Spurs- wrong man, wrong job, wrong time.
It was never going to work for Moyes at Old Trafford and it really wouldn't work if he went back there now. Not that either party wants it.
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I think the fact that’s a success-driven selfish twunt not the least concerned about making friends or being liked by his peers suggests he already has some core qualities to one day become a good manager. And let’s face it, if you remember the Euros 2016 final, when he picked up an injury and had to be subbed for the second half, at some point in the second half he pretty much pushed Portugal’s coach out of the way and started giving instructions to the team. Which worked tooI'd like to see Ronaldo as player manager
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Not in the least bit surprised to read this. I still reckon it's why things have gone pear shaped this season.I think the fact that’s a success-driven selfish twunt not the least concerned about making friends or being liked by his peers suggests he already has some core qualities to one day become a good manager. And let’s face it, if you remember the Euros 2016 final, when he picked up an injury and had to be subbed for the second half, at some point in the second half he pretty much pushed Portugal’s coach out of the way and started giving instructions to the team. Which worked too
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Except he is liked by his peers and has many friends . Nobody in Portugal interpreted his urging the team on as pushing the coach out of the way ( although in the last two qualifying games plenty would wasn’t the coach pushed out of the way) infact he was applauded as he could have just gone to the dressing room.I think the fact that’s a success-driven selfish twunt not the least concerned about making friends or being liked by his peers suggests he already has some core qualities to one day become a good manager. And let’s face it, if you remember the Euros 2016 final, when he picked up an injury and had to be subbed for the second half, at some point in the second half he pretty much pushed Portugal’s coach out of the way and started giving instructions to the team. Which worked too
I get where the perception of him comes from and I have had plenty of arguments about him over here. However, despite his preening arrogance, his obsession with financial accumulating and his image, his blatant diving and winning fouls etc his footballing skills and goal scoring record are second to none.
The issue of whether United should have bought him is another question as is the question as to why the United coaching team can’t adapt tactics to fit in his goal scoring ability.
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steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
What an insane football club....
He was sacked. Because he was shit.
He's not dead...
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"Liked by peers and friends". I wonder exactly what it could be that people would want to be friends with him.
Should the team fit around him or him into the team?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The question 'should the team fit around him or him into the team' applies to a number of great players , Messi being a prime example. Barcelona built a team around him but at PSG where they haven't he struggles. I am not even sure that Man Utd have built a team around Ronaldo tbh , tactically what have they changed?
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
10 out of a typical Utd 11 suit a pressing game - bring the opposition up to about the halfway line, the hunt in packs to win the ball or force a mistake, quick break towards goal before the opposition can reset from their in possession positions to their defensive setup. Trouble is that doesn't work if the centre forward doesn't join in.
This is why Firmino is the best centre forward imaginable for Liverpool. Is he the best goalscorer? Not by a mile, he's nowhere near the likes of Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Kane etc. But their defensive setup is relentless and it starts from the front - Utd's doesn't.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I wouldn't describe United as a pressing team tbh in fact quite the opposite. When they did try and play a pressing game against Liverpool they actually couldn't do it . I agree with the quick break counter attack though, they are not a possession team.
The Ronaldo doesn't press is a bit of a myth in my opinion, he is probably as fast as anyone over a short distance and is superbly fit. If anyone is incapable of pressing its actually Bruno Fernandes who spends an incredible amount of time either speaking to the ref or pointing. Chelsea play a pressing game under Tuchel and did under Lampard and Sarri,they still managed to accommodate Giroud.
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Roy Keane, the player who admits to deliberately going out to finish another players career
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Errrm from that "yep"
Utter cunt admitted that he wanted to hurt him well he did that all right. If he did it deliberately then he wasn't that concerned about doing him major injury.
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Least noticed poster 2007
"he has never regretted slamming his studs into the knee of the Manchester City player."
Slamming your studs into someone's knee isn't just trying to hurt them. Of course he's saying he didn't want to damage them. Don't get your knickers in a twist just because your favoured player clearly didn't care whether he damaged someone or not.
Slamming your studs into someone's knee isn't just trying to hurt them. Of course he's saying he didn't want to damage them. Don't get your knickers in a twist just because your favoured player clearly didn't care whether he damaged someone or not.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Yeah not only did they panic buy Sanchez etc for fear of City landing them, they enticed those players with huge salaries. Those City-United transfer shenanigans started with Berbatov. He was a good buy but he also got a nice pay rise out of it.
Also it makes me think that if given the choice of two Portuguese players out of Fernandes, Ronaldo, Dias, Cancelo and Bernardo Silva would you pick the two egos?
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Pretty sure the issue is with him doing it in the first place, not the fact he was honest about it.
Roy Keane was a successful player by certain measures, but he's also a blinkered cunt who takes a game where 22 people try to put a ball in a net way, way too seriously.
