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Mail: a truly despicable article ("nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death")

Kanda said:
I thought Brookers article was put up in the evening?
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Interesting init. Brooker went live on the Guardian site at about 10.59am, his weekly article having been brought forward to address what Muir wrote - looks like he was probably writing it between about 9.30am and 10.30am.

A surprising amout of twittering about it between 3-4am, crazy Internetz people.
 
5t3IIa said:
Any other ideas? Where is the retraction? :mad:
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Write to paul.dacre@dailymail.co.uk; paul.carter@dailymail.co.uk; alex.bannister@dailymail.co.uk; martin.clarke@dailymail.co.uk; jon.steafel@dailymail.co.uk

You may like to direct some comments towards the Chief Executive of the newspaper's parent company, Daily Mail and General Trust plc, Martin Morgan. Appointed in 2007, he comes from an online publishing background
martin.morgan@dmgt.co.uk

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6872860.ece explains the natural cause of Mr Gately's death.

http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html is the PCC code
 
London_Calling said:
Interesting init. Brooker went live on the Guardian site at about 10.59am, his weekly article having been brought forward to address what Muir wrote - looks like he was probably writing it between about 9.30am and 10.30am.

A surprising amout of twittering about it between 3-4am, crazy Internetz people.
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brooker's guardian piece on moir only went on the guardian site at 5pm, after he wrote it about lunchtime. it was originally going to be published in yesterdays edition but got brought forward once the internet storm grew and grew. i'm guessing those timings you have are down to incorrect timezone settings on twitter.
 
strung_out said:
brooker's guardian piece on moir only went on the guardian site at 5pm, after he wrote it about lunchtime. it was originally going to be published in yesterdays edition but got brought forward once the internet storm grew and grew. i'm guessing those timings you have are down to incorrect timezone settings on twitter.
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That's even more interesting. It would certainly explain why twitter was so busy at what wasn't 3.30am.

I see Marty21 twittered at 04.31 by that measure, will be interesting to see what time he remembers doing that . . .
 
sleaterkinney said:
I wouldn't bother writing to Dacre btw, he's probably loving the attention.
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Doubt it.

Either he'll be dealing with a clogged email box himself, which will be irritating, or he'll assign an assistant to do it. Which means they're either not doing "proper stuff" he'd normally have them do as an assistant, or they've been seconded from another role in the org in which case there'll be other staffers aware that resource is being drained into this cluster-fuck.

(And he can't simply delete everything en-masse, because in amongst it there could be an email from someone of genuine influence to Dacre's world.)
 
paolo999 said:
(And he can't simply delete everything en-masse, because in amongst it there could be an email from someone of genuine influence to Dacre's world.)
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Aghhh! :eek:

Do people really believe that 'people of genuine influence' write to Paul Dacre (or anyone else!) at a publicly published e-mail address?

paul.dacre@dailymail.co.uk is for the 'plebs'. Do you think anyone other than his assistant looks at it?

john x
 
And precisely what are you doing John to try and challenge homophobic and racist attitudes in our media/journalism?




Wait... don't tell me!
 
I was hoping from a suggestion from John X first. If he thinks that the current stuff is futile, then perhaps he can enlighten us as to what would be better? That's all I'm saying.
 
john x said:
Aghhh! :eek:

Do people really believe that 'people of genuine influence' write to Paul Dacre (or anyone else!) at a publicly published e-mail address?

paul.dacre@dailymail.co.uk is for the 'plebs'. Do you think anyone other than his assistant looks at it?

john x
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I've no doubt he has another email address.

The idea that *all* people of influence know it, is clearly rubbish though.

There isn't some national employment standard that says when you get promoted to a certain level, you will be sent Paul Dacre's private email address.

But that aside, my original point was to refute the idea that "he's loving the attention".

If he was really loving it, he'd now be banging the articles out daily, having discovered a winning formula.
 
stephj said:
I was hoping from a suggestion from John X first. If he thinks that the current stuff is futile, then perhaps he can enlighten us as to what would be better? That's all I'm saying.
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Nobody is saying the current stuff is futile. I am saying that sending e-mails to someone who will never read them is a bit pointless as is signing a petition to 10 Downing street asking them to 'sack' Jan Moir.

Even making complaints to the PCC has a point even though they will probably not allow any of them and if they did, it wouldn't actually change much re the actual article. Having it as a matter of record, that the article in question generated more complaints than ever however, is important in both highlighting the issue publicly and possibly putting pressure on advertisers to think twice about where they advertise.

However abhorrent, the media only reflect what we think as a society. Nobody would publish an article promoting paedophilia in a national newspaper because it would be publically condemned by everyone. Jan Moir was able to express those views because a significant number of the British public agree with her.

The media will stop publishing stories like that when there is no longer an audience for them. Remember that next time you hear a casual homophobic remark and choose not to challenge it.

john x
 
Okay, I know this sounds silly or may have been suggested before, but there must be Mail insiders who feel like us.
A polite approach to Dacre by a few sensible staff members might be interesting.
Of course I doubt if there are any with the nerve, but I bet there are quite a few who are very pissed off with Moir.
But there's no way that any Mail employee is gay/has ever had a threesome/smoked a spliff is there?
 
john x said:
Remember that next time you hear a casual homophobic remark and choose not to challenge it.
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Well, I actively challenge (even casual) homophobia (which I've been in receipt of more than a few times myself over the years :() and racism quite a lot thanks. It's cost me some 'friendships' in the past but I feel strongly about such things. :mad:
 
Public PCC petition


More details from petition creator
Following the article in the Daily Mail on Friday 16th October by Jan Moir in relation to the death of Stephen Gately, the PCC received over 21,000 complaints; however the chairman the Code committee for the PCC is currently the editor of the Daily Mail Paul Dacre.

As the formula one boss Max Mosley said when giving evidence to the culture, media and sport committee at the House of Commons “"It's like putting the mafia in charge of the local police station. You can't let them regulate themselves."

The PCC was weakened by preferential treatment to the newspaper industry and it lacked sufficient powers to appropriately deal with cases. The government needs to abolish the current PCC and re launch the committee as a public body so the public can have faith in the PCC once again."
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not sure about the public body, but that is closer to the remit of government than getting Journos sacked (not that the government doesn't yank chains behind the scences), that should add to Mr Dacre considering his position.

see Paul Dacre 's twitter page is rising up his google.:hmm:whose been playing metatags?
 
Alistar Cambell's unnavigable blog has been on the trash too:D (about three different pieces) from the latest



where has Mail Obergruppenfuhrer Paul Dacre been as this storm has engulfed his paper? He is always front of queue when it comes to lecturing others on leadership, and yet what has his response been as 21,000 complaints - mine not included I should say as I have no faith in the PCC whatever - have flooded into the Press Complaints Commission? It has been to get Moir to cobble together the ludicrous statement of a few days ago, and to get Janet Street-Porter to pen a 'why oh why did Jan write that piece?' piece in yesterday's paper, while keeping his own sweet head well below the parapet.

The PCC has at least shifted from its original line, that it could only investigate if the subject of the article made a complaint. Stephen Gately was doubtless highly talented, but I'm not sure those talents extend to making a complaint to the PCC from beyond the grave.

Now, the PCC have asked the Mail for their comments. That should be a cosy little chat. Mail Obergruppenfuhrer Dacre can sit down for tea and biscuits with the PCC Code committee chairman, Oberkomiteepresident .... er, Paul Dacre.

Ludicrous. Surely even he realises his chances of that Knighthood for services to journalism are thin.
 
gosub said:
Public PCC petition


More details from petition creator
Following the article in the Daily Mail on Friday 16th October by Jan Moir in relation to the death of Stephen Gately, the PCC received over 21,000 complaints; however the chairman the Code committee for the PCC is currently the editor of the Daily Mail Paul Dacre.

As the formula one boss Max Mosley said when giving evidence to the culture, media and sport committee at the House of Commons “"It's like putting the mafia in charge of the local police station. You can't let them regulate themselves."

The PCC was weakened by preferential treatment to the newspaper industry and it lacked sufficient powers to appropriately deal with cases. The government needs to abolish the current PCC and re launch the committee as a public body so the public can have faith in the PCC once again."
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not sure about the public body, but that is closer to the remit of government than getting Journos sacked (not that the government doesn't yank chains behind the scences), that should add to Mr Dacre considering his position.

see Paul Dacre 's twitter page is rising up his google.:hmm:whose been playing metatags?
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Dave Gorman's blog is quite good on this (I know BK linked above but in case you missed it)
 
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