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Mail: a truly despicable article ("nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death")

I think we can all sit back and let outrage take its course.

Interesting comments on New Media Age:

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commenters on NMA said:
Christine | Fri, 16 Oct 2009 5:01 pm

Heavily orchestrated campaign? No. It was very much a spontaneous erruption of disgust from the British public, as anyone who knows anything about Twitter would realize. Clearly Jan Moir is as out of touch on that as she is anything else.

As for homophobic undertones, which parts does she think were undertones?

Alex | Fri, 16 Oct 2009 5:02 pm

"what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign"

This woman is deluded if she thinksthe reaction was planned. Maybe Jan your comments outraged a lot of people and they responed without orchestration.

Rob Murray | Fri, 16 Oct 2009 5:11 pm

I'd take my hat off to any PR/digital agency that could 'orchestrate' (plan/organise and implement) a campaign of this magnitude and reach within 1 day!

Only passionate spontaneity can create this kind of reaction.

Also, who is she claiming is responsible for the ochestration? The other papers?


Nick | Fri, 16 Oct 2009 5:15 pm

Amazing how viral the peoples response to news items can be. Jan obviously is struggling to comprehend the new architecture of "I speak, You respond" media.

Trending topics on Twitter have many drivers. I wonder what will happen when opinions clash and trends compete.


David Wiseman | Fri, 16 Oct 2009 5:17 pm

The point Jan Moirs should realise is that the reaction is simply one of digust from a wide variety of people at her article. In these days people want to register that digust publically and there now exists the option to do so by the Mails own website and a variety of other social messaging systems. It is not 'orchestrated' in the sense that it has been whipped up 'for the hell of it' but simply the very real reponse of many thousands of disgusted people..

Press Gazette has covered it as well

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=44483&c=1
 
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Louise R Turner (Leeds) wroteabout a minute ago
Welcome to the power of social media Jan Moir! We aren't part of some underground organisation just waiting to pounce, we're just normal people who totally disagree with her insinuations and, through the power of the internet, are able to express that. And long may we have that power.

this has been an interesting day
 
Poisonous, bigoted cunt. I think that sums it up really.
Google Jan Moir, the results speak for themselves.

Was gonna suggest a t'interweb hate campaign, hardly a requirement for it.

I for one hope the cantakerous old cunt gets hung up to dry!
 
I think we can all sit back and let outrage take its course.

Oh thank god *sneeze*

I'll check back tomorrow of course :)

PM me if there's anything really shitty that needs deleting or whatever...I dunno about that but there's Friday Night to get through :shrug:
 
Fuckin delighted with the backlash she's getting,like to see this happening more often not when just celebs are involved
 
result...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/16/stephen-gately-jan-moir-complaints


Brands including Marks & Spencer have asked for their advertising to be removed from the Daily Mail website page featuring a controversial column about the death of Boyzone singer Stephen Gately.

After a storm of protest which grew during the day online, Daily Mail columnist Jan Moir defended her comment piece, rejecting accusations that it was homophobic.

In a highly unusual move, the Daily Mail issued a statement from Moir late today in which she hit out the internet protests that led to 800 complaints being made to the Press Complaints Commission today, causing the regulator's website to crash for most of the afternoon.

Display advertising has been removed from the Mail Online webpage around Moir's article. Earlier today a Facebook page was set up urging users to lobby brands featured on the page, including Marks & Spencer, to pull their advertising.

"Marks & Spencer does not tolerate any form of discrimination," said a spokesman for the retailer. "We have asked the Daily Mail to move our advertisement away from the article. This is a matter for The Daily Mail."

Celebrities Stephen Fry and Derren Brown were among those who used their Twitter feeds to urge followers to make complaints.

"Some people, particularly in the gay community, have been upset by my article about the sad death of Boyzone member Stephen Gately. This was never my intention," Moir said.

She went on to defend the text of her article, which argued that Gately's death "strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships".

"When I wrote that 'he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine', I was referring to the drugs and the casual invitation extended to a stranger. Not to the fact of his homosexuality," she said.

"In what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign I think it is mischievous in the extreme to suggest that my article has homophobic and bigoted undertones," Moir added.

Stephen Abell, the PCC deputy director, said the regulator had received 800 complaints today via phone and the internet in a couple of hours about the Moir piece, which has provoked a storm of criticism on Twitter and other social networks such as Facebook over what internet users saw as the Daily Mail writer's insinuation that Gately's death in a Mallorca hotel room last weekend was connected in some unspecified way to the fact that he was gay.

However, the PCC will only launch a formal investigation into Moir's article if it receives a formal complaint from Gately's family, who are preparing for the former Boyzone singer's funeral in Dublin tomorrow. "We made ourselves available to the family after the death," Abell said.

The PCC's homepage was back online by about 4.30pm, although it was loading slowly. "It has been a bit of a flurry today," Abell added.

Brown, who has about 124,000 Twitter followers, posted a direct link to the PCC online complaints page at about midday today. RT @nikkib @DerrenBrown No use just being cross. Complain where it matters. She breaches 1,3,5 & 12 of the code http://ow.ly/uL56

Fry, who has more than 800,000 Twitter followers, re-tweeted this link. "Disgusted with Daily Mail's Jan Moir? Complain where it matters. She breaches 1,3,5 & 12 of the code http://ow.ly/uL56 " (via @kenrayner)
 
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we posted at the same time lol

def result *applauds Badger Kitten, Stella, and everyone who did their bit on facebook, and twitter etc.*
 
I think it's fair to post her statement in full.

Right to reply/keep on digging and all that:

Jan Moir statement said:
"Some people, particularly in the gay community, have been upset by my article about the sad death of Boyzone member Stephen Gately. This was never my intention. Stephen, as I pointed out in the article was a charming and sweet man who entertained millions.

"However, the point of my column-which,I wonder how many of the people complaining have fully read - was to suggest that, in my honest opinion, his death raises many unanswered questions. That was all. Yes, anyone can die at anytime of anything. However, it seems unlikely to me that what took place in the hours immediately preceding Gately’s death – out all evening at a nightclub, taking illegal substances, bringing a stranger back to the flat, getting intimate with that stranger – did not have a bearing on his death.

"At the very least, it could have exacerbated an underlying medical condition.

"The entire matter of his sudden death seemed to have been handled with undue haste when lessons could have been learned. On this subject, one very important point. When I wrote that ‘he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine’, I was referring to the drugs and the casual invitation extended to a stranger. Not to the fact of his homosexuality.

"In writing that ‘it strikes another blow to the happy-ever-after myth of civil partnerships’ I was suggesting that civil partnerships – the introduction of which I am on the record in supporting – have proved just to be as problematic as marriages.

"In what is clearly a heavily orchestrated internet campaign I think it is mischievous in the extreme to suggest that my article has homophobic and bigoted undertones."
 
The facebook group has acquired about another 200 members since I joined it - 20 minutes ago! :eek: :cool:

This is the democratising potential of the internet in action IMO. These days it's so easy to read something and react to it that nasty, spiteful journalists writing in nasty, spiteful newspapers can expect a blast of criticism immediately, rather than a muted response a few days later.
 
You know what, I fucking love the Internet. Only a few years ago, it wouldn't have been possible to nail this bitch.

aye. The internet and cit journalism also won over the Ian Tomlinson killing, managing to totally kybosh the Met's attempted smear and cover-up campaign.

Some people have yet to wake the fuck up to what loads of angry internetz people can get done.
 
Jan Moir's career, seconds after she finished today's column:

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Does anyone feel like dancing?
 
aye. The internet and cit journalism also won over the Ian Tomlinson killing, managing to totally kybosh the Met's attempted smear and cover-up campaign.

Some people have yet to wake the fuck up to what loads of angry internetz people can get done.

I agree but lets not get carried away with describing stuff like this as evidence of the democratising nature of the internet.

It is mob justice, albeit a very just kind of mob justice.
 
I agree but lets not get carried away with describing stuff like this as evidence of the democratising nature of the internet.

It is mob justice, albeit a very just kind of mob justice.

Mob justice would have been a lynching. This is people flagging up an article that breaks three of the PCC's codes. An appeal to existing authority (vociferous though the appeal may be) isn't the same as mob justice.
 
I agree but lets not get carried away with describing stuff like this as evidence of the democratising nature of the internet.

It is mob justice, albeit a very just kind of mob justice.

Of course, but the point is that it's much easier now, with the internet, for the 'man in the street' to respond to journalists. The balance of power between writer and reader has shifted a little bit. That is a democratising force IMO.
 
Mob justice would have been a lynching. This is people flagging up an article that breaks three of the PCC's codes. An appeal to existing authority (vociferous though the appeal may be) isn't the same as mob justice.

I think, ironically, the new standard for mob justice was set a year or so ago by the Daily Mail with the whole Andrew Sachs campaign.
 
Of course, but the point is that it's much easier now, with the internet, for the 'man in the street' to respond to journalists. The balance of power between writer and reader has shifted a little bit. That is a democratising force IMO.

That's not really a democratising force.

That's just a redistribution of power.
 
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