Losing benefit if you're an addict or obese

[likesfish]

well this sounds great if your a daily mail reader.
Fact treating addictions is expensive and not terribly succesful often th addiction is just the most obvious sign of a really broken person.
Cant see anyone trying to help addicts is going to think reporting to the dss is going to do anything to help.

 

[purenarcotic]

Who has suggested this? Do you have a link?

 

[jakethesnake]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...bese-addicts-accept-help-risk-losing-benefits
Not just addicts but fatties as well. This shower of cunts are running scared.

 

[J Ed]

Will we be cutting Pickles off from state resources then? Thought not.

 

[Pickman's model]

Will we be cutting Pickles off from state resources then? Thought not.

just give him the chop.

 

[dessiato]

I've just read this. I am lost for words. Nobody sets out to be an addict nor to be clinically obese. I can see some merit in pushing people towards treatment. I can see none in forcing treatment nor in imposing financial penalties for those not taking treatment.

 

[J Ed]

I've just read this. I am lost for words. Nobody sets out to be an addict nor to be clinically obese. I can see some merit in pushing people towards treatment. I can see none in forcing treatment nor in imposing financial penalties for those not taking treatment.

If this government were a person then it would be the sort of bigoted idiot that shouts hateful things at people on the street based on their appearance. Then follows them home and burgles their house.

 

[brogdale]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...bese-addicts-accept-help-risk-losing-benefits
This shower of cunts are running scared.

Yes; another dog-whistle news-story designed to consolidate their core 'nasty' vote. This has the look of party that is beginning to believe its own polling.

 

[8115]

I don't think that "medical programs" are actually very likely to be successful at this. If you think about the cycle of change, one of the key things is that people have to be ready to change (man).

Maybe providing more, free or subsidised exercise facilities, examining the role that big food plays in obesity, looking at whether criminalising drugs is really the best way to go, putting more money into drug and alcohol treatment services could work. But that all sounds a bit too socialist and worst of all might actually achieve results, leaving the government without anybody to demonise.

 

[Chilli.s]

I recently read that benefit in the UK is under claimed by over 10 billion quid... Its all a myth that claimants should be chucked off social security to save money. Another way of distracting from the people who DO get away with proper swizzing money for nothing. Look to the richest in the land for the real money grabbing cunts pissing through the country's wealth that we all of society should share.

 

[dessiato]

In Portugal drug addiction was de-criminalised and treatment offered. That has lead to a decrease in addiction problems and in drug use. I have very limited experience of addiction but those I know who have been addicts say that until they were ready to change nothing helped.

I suspect that this might be the case with obesity. If, that is, it was as simple as food addiction.

This seems to be a blatant attempt at seeing what the people will tolerate before deciding to impose something "but at least it isn't ad bad as it could be"

 

[J Ed]

I recently read that benefit in the UK is under claimed by over 10 billion quid... Its all a myth that claimants should be chucked off social security to save money. Another way of distracting from the people who DO get away with proper swizzing money for nothing. Look to the richest in the land for the real money grabbing cunts pissing through the country's wealth that we all of society should share.

Yeah, nice timing here to coincide with the HSBC scandal. It's easier to get people to hate the people that they see (or, much more likely think they see) taking advantage.

 

[Chilli.s]

Obesity and the lack of physical exercise are linked. I look at football, a national obsession, invented here, played every ware, an industry of immeasurable cash flow, yet get out of the towns into the sticks and sports facilities are really thinly spread and poor quality. If they do exist people who want to use them are charged because everyone is a cash cow to be milked.

Thats proper social exclusion, what should be a birthright, but only if you pay.

 

[jakethesnake]

How they have the brass neck to talk about 'hard working taxpayers' is beyond belief. I'm amazed Cameron can utter the phrase with a straight face. Cunts.

 

[likesfish]

Serious obesity is fucking complex you cant quit food like drugs or alcohol.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Yes; another dog-whistle news-story designed to consolidate their core 'nasty' vote. This has the look of party that is beginning to believe its own polling.

This. Obscene and fundamentally dangerous shit. So flawed as to be impractical, no evidence-base beyond (I assume) the rantings of some focus group.

"Cameron will say: “I have asked Professor Dame Carol Black to undertake a rapid review into how best to support those suffering from long-term yet treatable conditions."

"How to best support"? Mendacious fraud cunt

 

[StoneRoad]

Another attack on people with vulnerabilities - demonising another group of benefit claimants whilst ignoring the massive tax avoidance / evasion practiced by the rich and aided by the bankers. Obesity is not always as simple as eating too much and exercising too little, I can think of several conditions and treatments that exhibit obesity as a side effect (like polycystic ovaries and steroids, as examples)
Quite typical, unfortunately.
Trying to dismantle the support systems to save money then expecting what is left to pick up a massively increased workload - that will go well !

 

[jakethesnake]

Serious obesity is fucking complex you cant quit food like drugs or alcohol.

Quitting drugs and alcohol is often pretty complex too.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

Its not going to happen, so see this for what it is, a Tory election gaff & a gift for Labour. I guess even the squeezed middle are getting pissed off with this continuous Tory 'let off the rich & fuck the poor' shit.

 

[ViolentPanda]

just give him the chop.

Lamb, pork or mutton?

 

[andysays]

Its not going to happen, so see this for what it is, a Tory election gaff & a gift for Labour. I guess even the squeezed middle are getting pissed off with this continuous Tory 'let off the rich & fuck the poor' shit.

I look forward to Miliband's response, explicitly repudiating all this sort of bash-the-poor shit, and promising massively increased support for those with alcohol and/or drug dependencies and obesity problems and various other vulnerable groups who need support, all paid for by meaningful policies to tackle tax evasion and avoidance.

As you say, a Tory gaff and a gift for Labour, so this will clearly be the turning point we've all waited for.

 

[el-ahrairah]

i wonder who gets to decide if a person is too fat or stoned for benefits.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Serious obesity is fucking complex you cant quit food like drugs or alcohol.

Some people are obese due to poor nutrition.
Some people are obese due to inability or limited ability to exercise.
Some people are obese due to over-eating.
Some people (as has become clear in the last 10 years or so of genetic research) are predisposed to become obese.
Most don't make a lifestyle choice of obesity, they have it thrust on them by environmental and psychological circumstance.

Tories, on the other hand, choose to be cunts, so why not pull them off of the state's tit instead?

 

[ViolentPanda]

i wonder who gets to decide if a person is too fat or stoned for benefits.

Either the PBI sitting behind the desk in JC+, or some no-mark mug "adjudication officer" in a DWP decision mill. Either way, it won't be someone with any understanding of the nuances of either issue, we can be sure.

 

[likesfish]

Most people who know nothing about addiction will fall for the if they wont help themselves why should we pay them benefits

Its not that they wont its that they cant.
Douglas bader flew spitfires in the battle of britian doesnt mean the average double amputee is going to become a typhoon pilot tomorrow and the only reason they are not is because they are feckless and lazy

Most addicts were on some level fucked up before they discovered their addiction of choice and while it allowed them to cope of some level it made things much much worse

Quitting drugs and alcohol is often pretty complex too.

Not saying it isnt but you can actually live without drugs and alcohol stopping taking food and you die and food pushers are everywhere they even deliver

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think that "medical programs" are actually very likely to be successful at this. If you think about the cycle of change, one of the key things is that people have to be ready to change (man).

Maybe providing more, free or subsidised exercise facilities, examining the role that big food plays in obesity, looking at whether criminalising drugs is really the best way to go, putting more money into drug and alcohol treatment services could work. But that all sounds a bit too socialist and worst of all might actually achieve results, leaving the government without anybody to demonise.

The problem is that the thrust of neoliberalism in the context of health is all about medicalising such issues so that they can be made a profit from. The neolibs won't admit that these problems are more social than medical because social problems are harder to treat, and therefore harder to generate a profit from.
Basically, the cunts are monetising our misery.

 

[SaskiaJayne]

I look forward to Miliband's response, explicitly repudiating all this sort of bash-the-poor shit, and promising massively increased support for those with alcohol and/or drug dependencies and obesity problems and various other vulnerable groups who need support, all paid for by meaningful policies to tackle tax evasion and avoidance.

As you say, a Tory gaff and a gift for Labour, so this will clearly be the turning point we've all waited for.

Why does everybody see Labour as exactly the same as they were when they were previously in government? What people miss, I think is that if Labour had come in with more left wing policies in the 2005 election as they should have done to avoid so much damage in the predicted 2008 crash they would have lost that election, the Tories would have got in, made as bigger mess of it as Labour did & we would have been exactly where we are now. I think its possible that a change could be on the horizon & that change is more likely to happen with Labour, because all the Tories offer is more of what we have now.

 

[likesfish]

Labour are going to at least use lube
The wars would have happened under tory rule possibly slightly less miss managed torys luve a good war and if you must have a war at least fight to win it .

 

[Chilli.s]

Going back to football, my friends son has decided to stop his Saturday games as it costs £35 a month. A sad decision to force on a 15 year old (edit, he is 13).

This country wants minimum wage slaves to work to keep the rich from having to dirty their hands or reach into their considerably full pockets to pay for the society they feel is their birthright.

 

[andysays]

Why does everybody see Labour as exactly the same as they were when they were previously in government? What people miss, I think is that if Labour had come in with more left wing policies in the 2005 election as they should have done to avoid so much damage in the predicted 2008 crash they would have lost that election, the Tories would have got in, made as bigger mess of it as Labour did & we would have been exactly where we are now. I think its possible that a change could be on the horizon & that change is more likely to happen with Labour, because all the Tories offer is more of what we have now.

It's the result of bitter experience, rather than your apparent triumph of hope over experience.

To give Miliband his due, he is now making noises about tax avoidance, but he is doing absolutely nothing to challenge bash-the-poor rhetoric, or to indicate that he will maintain (far less improve) services which have been cut, all of which leads me to suspect that nothing's really changed.