London St Paul's bomb plot: IS supporter Safiyya Shaikh 'got cold feet'

[kebabking]

No need for that

Ascension Island quite far enough

Oh no, Ascension Island is quite pleasant (it's not my scene for a two year posting, but the social life and fishing is supposed to be excellent) it's a bit warm, but it's fairly fertile - you could build a life there.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

In November, Neil Basu, head of counter terrorism policing, said the UK's counter terrorism policing team had about 800 live counter-terrorism investigations.

He said 24 attack plots had been thwarted since the Westminster attack in March 2017.

I wonder how many of those 24 thwarted plots were, like this one, of their own creation.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh no, Ascension Island is quite pleasant (it's not my scene for a two year posting, but the social life and fishing is supposed to be excellent) it's a bit warm, but it's fairly fertile - you could build a life there.

I bow to your experience

Helping with the drainage of Falkland sound it is then, she'll be issued with a bucket and spade to help her

 

[danny la rouge]

where do you go to get fitted for a suicide vest?

Killgore.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Solicitors can advise but they can't make their clients act in the client's best interests

Quite.

 

[krtek a houby]

Nice work by the old bill by the looks of it. It's just a shame she won't hang and will likely be on the streets again in 5 or so years.

What good is the death penalty?

 

[killer b]

What good is the death penalty?

it's mostly just a device for baiting liberals on the internet these days. It's really good for that though.

 

[krtek a houby]

it's mostly just a device for baiting liberals on the internet these days. It's really good for that though.

Not being a liberal, I'll just have to take your word for it. Just don't feel it's a good idea, especially to execute people with possible mental health issues.

 

[killer b]

it's ok, no-one's going to execute her.

 

[kebabking]

Not being a liberal, I'll just have to take your word for it. Just don't feel it's a good idea, especially to execute people with possible mental health issues.

can i ask, if someone with mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in the middle of a crowded place, does it kill less people than if someone without mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in a crowded place?

i'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, entirely because of the chance of a miscarriage of justice, but as a way of ensuring that a person - regardless of their motivation/drivers - is no longer a threat to anyone, its pretty effective...

 

[two sheds]

although if someone's detonated a suicide vest in the middle of a crowded place, the death penalty is a bit irrelevant.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Not being a liberal, I'll just have to take your word for it. Just don't feel it's a good idea, especially to execute people with possible mental health issues.

Are you still living in a country that employs capital punishment in one of the cruellest manners possible?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

although if someone's detonated a suicide vest in the middle of a crowded place, the death penalty is a bit irrelevant.

If she was hanging from a noose the blast would have greater range

 

[rubbershoes]

Martyr making, eh?

I could only bring myself to listen to ten seconds of Priti Patel, but I'm sure that whatever she went on to say was absolute shite . I'd take one Ian Hislop over a million Priti Patels

 

[krtek a houby]

can i ask, if someone with mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in the middle of a crowded place, does it kill less people than if someone without mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in a crowded place?

i'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, entirely because of the chance of a miscarriage of justice, but as a way of ensuring that a person - regardless of their motivation/drivers - is no longer a threat to anyone, its pretty effective...

Obviously the end result is going to be the same. But what drives the would be bomber? It seems to be motivated by hatred rather than a political agenda...

 

[two sheds]

If she was hanging from a noose the blast would have greater range

Not something you'd actually want if she were in a crowded place

 

[rubbershoes]

Caught planning a bombing then gets the worst brief on the planet.

Ain't life a bitch!

Her barrister Ben Newton is highly regarded

 

[krtek a houby]

Are you still living in a country that employs capital punishment in one of the cruellest manners possible?

Sure am, not sure what bearing it has on this incident, though?

 

[Spymaster]

Her barrister Ben Newton is highly regarded

Which begs the question, why didn't he he raise entrapment as an issue if that indeed is what it was, as has been suggested here?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Sure am, not sure what bearing it has on this incident, though?

Was highlighting how capital punishment is fucking terrible, how it is practiced in Japan is beyond the fucking pale; after first being sentenced they undergo around 15-20 years of waiting, during that time they are not classified as prisoners, they are the living dead. They are held in solitary confinement, with no TV, radio or books. They are allowed out of their cells for two one hour periods of exercise a week, they are not permitted to exercise in their cells, however they are also not permitted to lay down between 7am and 10pm, they must stand or sit on the floor. They are never given an execution date, they are told that their time is up around an hour before it happens, leaving them to suffer excruciatingly throughout the whole time not knowing if this morning will be their last.

The whole set up is sick.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Which begs the question, why didn't he he raise entrapment as an issue if that indeed is what it was, as has been suggested here?

Barristers have to act according to their client’s wishes, if when he first met her she told him she is guilty then his hands would be tied...

 

[Pickman's model]

can i ask, if someone with mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in the middle of a crowded place, does it kill less people than if someone without mental health issues detonates a suicide vest in a crowded place?

i'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, entirely because of the chance of a miscarriage of justice, but as a way of ensuring that a person - regardless of their motivation/drivers - is no longer a threat to anyone, its pretty effective...

Michael Barrett was no threat to anyone, he wasn't even in London at the the time of the act he was charged with committing. Hanging people isn't imo about justice but about sending a message

 

[krtek a houby]

Was highlighting how capital punishment is fucking terrible, how it is practiced in Japan is beyond the fucking pale; after first being sentenced they undergo around 15-20 years of waiting, during that time they are not classified as prisoners, they are the living dead. They are held in solitary confinement, with no TV, radio or books. They are allowed out of their cells for two one hour periods of exercise a week, they are not permitted to exercise in their cells, however they are also not permitted to lay down between 7am and 10pm, they must stand or sit on the floor. They are never given an execution date, they are told that their time is up around an hour before it happens, leaving them to suffer excruciatingly throughout the whole time not knowing if this morning will be their last.

The whole set up is sick.

Agreed. The death penalty is barbaric, in any country. Just seems a bit random to bring Japanese "justice" into this case...

 

[rubbershoes]

Which begs the question, why didn't he he raise entrapment as an issue if that indeed is what it was, as has been suggested here?

Who knows. He is a specialist criminal barrister and we're not

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Agreed. The death penalty is barbaric, in any country. Just seems a bit random to bring Japanese "justice" into this case...

Because I reckon Japan employs the cruellest of all death penalties and people should know about it. Is all.

 

[Spymaster]

Barristers have to act according to their client’s wishes, if when he first met her she told him she is guilty then his hands would be tied...

Or he knew full fucking well that it wasn't entrapment.

 

[Spymaster]

Because I reckon Japan employs the cruellest of all death penalties and people should know about it. Is all.

Hanging in Japan isn't it?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Hanging in Japan isn't it?

Yeah, which is one of the more humane methods. What they get up to before the hanging is inhuman beyond words.

 

[krtek a houby]

Because I reckon Japan employs the cruellest of all death penalties and people should know about it. Is all.

Still random, mind. You could have mentioned the often botched and prolonged executions in the US... the lethal injections which are presented as humane, but aren't and rely on supplies from Europe (iirc).

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Still random, mind. You could have mentioned the often botched and prolonged executions in the US... the lethal injections which are presented as humane, but aren't and rely on supplies from Europe (iirc).

Cos I’m not too fussed at the method, whether it takes you one minute or thirty to die isn’t really a big deal, you don’t get to look back and judge it. But to do what they do in Japan to death row prisoners is wholly without justification.