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No. But I'll judge people by their actions, not what they say they believe. Give me more column inches attacking casual misogyny, and I'll believe your sincerity on dress and being out alone at night. Oherwise, cock off.

Give me whatever helps to stop people getting raped. One of the best things the feminist movement ever did was to remind people that it's never ever a woman's fault if she gets raped but I don't necessarily think that putting all the onus on men is helpful. I don't know what I think to be honest, maybe I'm just tying myself in knots here.
 
No. But I'll judge people by their actions, not what they say they believe. Give me more column inches attacking casual misogyny, and I'll believe your sincerity on dress and being out alone at night. Oherwise, cock off.

You really don't know me very well.
 
Why would I need to know you?

How can you possibly say that some of the onus should be on women? Any onus? How in holy crap do you reach such a twisted conclusion?
 
a pint for me and a half for the little lady please barman

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Sorry, didn't catch that - thought you asked for your usual.
 
Why would I need to know you?

How can you possibly say that some of the onus should be on women? Any onus? How in holy crap do you reach such a twisted conclusion?

Onus was a stupid word to use, sorry. But, do you object to the advice to keep to well lit streets walking home after dark? I really don't think that's a twisted conclusion.
 
Why would I need to know you?

How can you possibly say that some of the onus should be on women? Any onus? How in holy crap do you reach such a twisted conclusion?

Not rocket science is it? I don't go flashing my rolex* in town and at the same time lasses who were next to nothing will get more hassle. I don't believe this leads to more rapes, cos has been explored rape is more then that, but hassle factor -for sure. It's the neadathol twats which is the problem. Women should be able to wear want when they want, but that doesn't mean that how they dress won't cause them problems and sadly sometimes that has to be acknowledged. :(

For that reason fair play to the people who organised this march. :)

* i don't own a rolex
 
I do object to it, yes. When sexists have to be as careful as most racists are when they check who's in earshot, then I'll take advice from the police on how to stay safer from the few remaining psychopaths. Until then, don't expect me to bbe impressed by men who earnestly repeat this advice whilst calmly ignoring blatantly hateful cuntery.
 
I'm a woman for what it's worth. Probably a self-hating one though which would explain a lot.

What the fuck difference does that make and where the fuck do you get that from?

Fuck's sake, this wounded ego thing is pathetic.
 
What the fuck difference does that make and where the fuck do you get that from?

Surely it would make a difference though ymu, 8115 is admiting to have internalised sexist (misogynistic) values, hence her calling it 'self-hate'. Let's face it, if we all dig deep enough, we'd all uncover it at some level.
 
Surely it would make a difference though Ymu if 8115 is admiting to have internalised sexist (misogynistic) values, hence her calling it 'self-hate'.

Women on juries are traditionally a lot tougher than men on rape victims. I suspect a lot of that is down to self-protection rather than self-loathing ie You were dressed in a smutty way/walked across a park/invited a man into your home so that's why you were raped. I would NEVER do any of those things so a) that makes me safe from rape and b) it's your fucking fault. It might be about loathing fir be female but it has pretty fucking harsh consequences for other women. No empathy here
 
What the fuck difference does that make and where the fuck do you get that from?

Fuck's sake, this wounded ego thing is pathetic.

You are a real piece of work :facepalm:

You are way more agro than most blokes I know.
 
I don't thinnk the sleazing drinks is offensive. If they're mug enough, why not?

It's the stereotyping of all women as doing this (and therefore any and all of us court and deserve the violent backlash) that I find offensive. It's not something I even recognise from my shagging days. No one sleazed for or bought drinks for random strangers, that I remember, and we went out a lot.

Please point out where anyone (presumably meant to be me) stereotyped ALL women as doing this.

You can't as no one fucking did. (sorry but it bloody annoys me when people exaggerate things into stuff you never said or implied. Trying to change the argument into one you can easily win instead of the actual discussion at hand?)

I did however express distaste at the ones that do do it.
 
I do object to it, yes. When sexists have to be as careful as most racists are when they check who's in earshot, then I'll take advice from the police on how to stay safer from the few remaining psychopaths. Until then, don't expect me to bbe impressed by men who earnestly repeat this advice whilst calmly ignoring blatantly hateful cuntery.

this is just bollocks tbf, saying that it might be smart for lone young women to avoid darkened streets or dodgy streets is inherently sexist or excusing rapists and the like is bollocks. As a catholic in my home town I didn't get offended at someone suggesting I might want to avoid certain bars and go off on a rant at them about how there shouldn't be bars catholics should avoid.

likewise if someone told me some advice as to avoid a shitty employer I wouldn't go on a fucking rant about how there should be no employers.

fighting sexism and capitalism doesn't mean one shouldn't be aware of how to manoeuvre within it.
 
Women on juries are traditionally a lot tougher than men on rape victims. I suspect a lot of that is down to self-protection rather than self-loathing ie You were dressed in a smutty way/walked across a park/invited a man into your home so that's why you were raped. I would NEVER do any of those things so a) that makes me safe from rape and b) it's your fucking fault. It might be about loathing fir be female but it has pretty fucking harsh consequences for other women. No empathy here

Not saying much more than it's a valid point for 8115 to make, as you pointed out some women do hold rather 'subjective' attitudes towards other women. The self-loathing vs self-protection thing is an interesting point because IME when we unpick the self-protection thing we are likely to find fear and levels to which women can undervalue themselves and their right not to be looked down on/seen as easy/raped.
 
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