Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ah the ideologically pure anarchists who maintain their purity through never actually doing anythingI've no problems with CW's electoral antics. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the po-faced Anarchists did.
ah the ideologically pure anarchists who maintain their purity through never actually doing anythingI've no problems with CW's electoral antics. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the po-faced Anarchists did.
It's a reference to a popular documentary about illegalist comrades who were active in the american deep south in the 1980s.Lol.
Such *edge*
I don't think "y'all" is on the banned list.
Can you confirm that the Bookfair will be totally HSE compliant? Rules, as we all know at heart, are actually there for everyone's benefit.
Maybe you could appoint an experienced person to be in charge of Health and Safety on the day, including issuing appropriate PPE. This person could also vet all stallholders and attendees by means of their clothing, speech and other lifestyle details to ensure that they are authentically working class.
Unfortunately I can't suggest anyone for the role, as they would need a pretty unique set of skills to do the job. Anyone else have any suggestions?
It's a reference to a popular documentary about illegalist comrades who were active in the american deep south in the 1980s.
OK, I've got some other concerns outside the 'trans debate' that I'll try and address to you later as they'll be longer.
For the moment though reading the stuff you've put out so far I have a question for you. I'm an anarchist and have been for quite a few years. I don't think, however, that someone that was born male can 'become' female. I also think that in certain situations (very few tbh) a transwoman shouldn't expect or demand to be treated exactly the same as someone that is a woman.
Am I welcome at this Bookfair?
Rhyddical
I know you've sort of addressed this, but I think it deserves further discussion.
What exactly are the grounds for invites vs. exclusion in the book fair?
There's a number of nin-anarchist groups on the list already.
Plan C, for example, who I quite like have put our pro-Labour Party stuff, and at a glance appear to be quite sympathetic to Kurdish nationalism.
Class War, who stand for election.
Animal rights groups? Why?
My own opinion is that I don't particularly mind. I don't especially identify as an Anarchist anymore, so it's cool with me....
...but then I'm not putting on an Anarchist Book fair. How are you you going to deal with groups who feel they have just as much a claim as say Plan C but who might be less welcome?
Be good to see some increased clarity.
Good luck, I look forward to coming along in 2020.
I don't think "y'all" is on the banned list.
To grab a specific one Plan C were at 2017, Edin Bookfair this year etc... the nature of their organisation means they are quite diverse and from my experiance they'ver always ajusted their presentation for the space. I don't think Class War were actually trying to get elected rather that share a stage at tories and give em shit but that kind of stuff to me personally is quibble. We should have arguments about our differant methods, that is what Bookfairs are for really. Discussing AF's positon on National Liberation movements or some such.
Animal Rights groups have a long history of association with Anarchist and the scene in general. I think it was only a few years back that the HSA and AFN put out a joint statement of solidarity etc. Many sabs are Anarchos and there the worlds tend to blend. Bookfairs tend to have a lot of blur otherwise they would be rather bland, tho there is some value to having a Anarchist specific conferance which would be less about trading ideas with punters and workshops on plastic waste and more on tearing down the capitalist state like.
There isn't a hard and fast rule atm, I doubt there will be. Stall invites/ refusal will be heavily based on our personal expriance and knowledge. If LABC folk join us we will no doubt defer quite a bit to their experiances with whose a dick n not. We've said no to a few already, nice and polite, free association etc nothing hostile and aside from the transphobic lobby, who feel we owe them space, everyone has respected it.
Magnus seems well versed in these matters if they want the job.
Thanks.
Would it be nosey to ask who you've said "no" to?
How do you know if I’m welcome or not?
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME.
Lovely. As if it isn’t a niche market or anything.
were you reading a different statement or sthn ?
It’s how I interpreted it. Everything for everyone. Except, err...
he's not, i've met magnus and he's definitely not the miserablist do-nothing wanker LLETSA is.are you LLETSA ?
The Book Front?
federationThe Book Front?
Rhyddical
1. "Any politic which would seek to oppress, undermine or remove the rights and liberties of others is anathematic to Anarchism and will find no welcome nor tolerance at the bookfair itself or any associated event or space."
I would like to remove rights and liberties from landlords, business owners, fascists, cops, the royal family etc. I would welcome your thoughts on that.
2. Will the August 10th meeting be invite only or an open meeting?
3. Some critics of the previous London Anarchist Bookfair got very agitated about criticism of religion. Is this something the new collective has discussed?
there's an easy and indeed sure way to prevent putative grand-kids facing such opprobrium, which i expect many people would be quite happy with for the royal family and which was used to great effect in china and vietnam against landlords1. Ok, so thats an easy biting point but really it's a bit semantical. We all know and understand what "oppression" is and whose facing it. Parasites, cops and kings can fuck off, they arn't oppressed and even in a world where they "could be" they simply would exist surely. I remember reading something that after the commie rev in China the emporer ended up getting a job as a shoemaker. Treated like any other person on the street. Personal I recon after the skum fucking everyone over answer for their crimes, makes up for it or whatever they'll be left to go about their buisness and pursue their happiness. Never thought about it but I'd be pretty against creating an underclass in society based on "your grand dad was a CEO" lol
1. Ok, so thats an easy biting point but really it's a bit semantical. We all know and understand what "oppression" is and whose facing it. Parasites, cops and kings can fuck off, they arn't oppressed and even in a world where they "could be" they simply would exist surely. I remember reading something that after the commie rev in China the emporer ended up getting a job as a shoemaker. Treated like any other person on the street. Personal I recon after the skum fucking everyone over answer for their crimes, makes up for it or whatever they'll be left to go about their buisness and pursue their happiness. Never thought about it but I'd be pretty against creating an underclass in society based on "your grand dad was a CEO" lol
2. This first one will be private, anyone is welcome to ask for an invite but the specifics are private simply becuase of the aggy people insisting we give them a platform. Later meetings will be public. People are welcome to join the collective at any level at any point, so there is no need to "get in early" or anything.
Well clearly we have different understandings of this issue which is why I am asking. During any revolutionary upheaval it will be necessary to remove the rights and liberties of landowners etc. In the meantime, even squatting a property is an infringement of the property rights of the owner. This isn't just semantics. It could be badly written, or I may be misunderstanding the statement. Perhaps both. But it is a weakness in the opening statement that several people here have read bad things into..
splitterfederation
just say that bigots might get a slapFor the purpose of the statement "no oppression" fits tho imo... is there nuance and interesting debates to be had? sure. The question of Squatters and / owner rights is an interesting one... just not sure how we could put that in a statement while retaining the punch needed to counter bigotry.
Hands up, I'm not the best at explaining and tbf maybe I am dismissing it a bit easy. It's probably on me.
I guess I'm being a bit glib.
For the purpose of the statement "no oppression" fits tho imo... is there nuance and interesting debates to be had? sure. The question of Squatters and / owner rights is an interesting one... just not sure how we could put that in a statement while retaining the punch needed to counter bigotry.
I'm willing to acknowledge that the statement isn't perfect by any means and not sure but I think there may be some inclination to have a revised statement come the new year, no doubt taking onboard fair points like these.
just say that bigots might get a slap