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Liz Truss’s time is up

tearing the bottom out of the welfare state + deregulation is pretty radical
No it is not. It is not at all fundamental to the capitalist system and has only existed for a generation - it issomething added to the economy - on top of it , based on the ideas of people such as a Keynes.
Blair's political ally, Gerhard Schröder had already done it Germany.
It's too easy to use words emotionally and that then makes discussion incoherent - like th e use of the word "Left" and "Communist" - don't let tabloid editors control meanings!
 
You're just projecting your values onto the word. Radical isn't a value judgement
Wrong - I am using the the word correctly. (the word relates to the latin word for root - and yes we learned the meaning that I have given in fucking school!)
Thus Liberals in their time were radical and revolutionary.
The treaties of Vienna in 1830 showed how radical liberals were considered - questioning divine authority🤣
 
Genuinely though disrespecting the new king is a particularly odd and basically pointless snub to quite a large portion of her party's support base - it places her as less respectful to the monarchy than Starkers.
 
We have winter.
I don't understand how that makes an election happen. The government needs to call one, or they need to lose a VONC. Are you imagining 40 or more tory MPs crossing the floor? Or 40 or more tory MPs voting for their own annihilation? Or a government calling an election they're bound to lose?
 
I don't understand how that makes an election happen. The government needs to call one, or they need to lose a VONC. Are you imagining 40 or more tory MPs crossing the floor? Or 40 or more tory MPs voting for their own annihilation? Or a government calling an election they're bound to lose?
No. I'm selling a house, and going to see some mates overseas.
 
New poll from opinium shows massive drop in tory support - and truss outstripping Johnson's nadia in the negativity ratings. Some mps looking to oust her and reports that several are in talks with labour on ways to spike the budget. Opinium usually has much closer numbers than the others polling companies cos it uses its methodology to predict what might happen in an election rather than the raw numbers - so for them to be showing these sort of figures is quite something.
Tone of the report definitely suggests her being gone by Christmas is a real possibility. Which is kind of :eek:

Voters abandon Tories as faith in economic competence dives

Some MPs regard Truss’s performance as so poor and the budget as so disastrous that they want her removed as leader.

One former minister thought she could be forced out even before Kwarteng makes his next fiscal statement at the end of November. “I think she is gone and they just don’t realise,” he said.

Conservative party rules state that a new leader is protected from a no-confidence vote for a year. However, leading rebels point out that neither Johnson or May were forced out by a confidence vote.

Tory MPs openly discussed all options last week in the face of record-low poll ratings, including a mass walkout of ministers or the suspension of party rules to remove Truss. Many MPs are waiting for MPs to return after the political conference season before considering their next move.

One former cabinet minister said: “It’s a matter of when she goes and we, the parliamentary party, need to seriously work on getting rid of her as soon as possible. That gives us more time before the next general election to forget this awful episode.”
Shes basically shat the bed with the voters.

The prime minister’s net approval rating has fallen from -9 to -37 in the space of a week
 
I wouldn't put much faith in the YouGov polls, because of Zahawi (probably got the arse because he didn't get to keep his job).

However the two others in the last couple of days are sweet music.
 
I genuinely don't understand how someone can be this shit.

And how the fuck did she get to be an mp - let alone a minister - and then prime minister? She's got no emotional intelligence, shes ignorant , incapable of thinking on her feet, unpleasant, utterly intransigent, inflexible and incompetent. Shed be sacked after one shift working behind the bar for scaring the customers away.
 
Upon learning what was intended, a very senior civil servant declared privately: “She is completely mad.” A senior figure at the Treasury called the decision to scrap the top rate of tax in a cost-of-living crisis “f***ing insane,”
She's definitely hit the ground.
 
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