Liz Truss’s time is up
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
There is a protest on the Sunday (there always is of course). I wasn't gonna go and didn't think it would be that big but a little tempted now.
ska invita
back on the other side
Be sure to go to Birmingham and not Manchester though
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
It's in Brum? Fuck that then.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I'm not sure she will. She clearly has no idea what she's doing and has nothing going for her. The local radio interviews this week showed she's got no idea how to manage the criticism.
I think the Tories will look at ways to reverse these new polling trends but that may involve getting rid of her.
ska invita
back on the other side
levelling up taking on some new flatten everyone to a pulp meanings
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You think she might promise them armoured unicorns?
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
I think I predicted she'd be gone by Xmas. Perhaps she'll be gone by Hallowe'en?
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
I genuinely think she knows what she's doing, yes she's not very able but she has a handle on the ideas of Hayek.
She has politics, but those politics are of the extreme libertarians.
I have to dig out Nancy Maclean's book Democracy in chains.
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Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
I know. it makes me feel a bit dirty
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
She's a radical rather than an incompetent, but she's also not the first pick of her own MPs and making the classic new management error of picking every fight possible at the same time. Plus she's not very likable or charismatic. Doesn't usually leads to a long tenure.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Her deficiency on the likability index will make polling recovery/convergence very difficult for the party. For whatever reasons many voters thought that blustercunt was likeable etc. which meant that huge transgressions were overlooked/forgiven. She's got none of that.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Every day is halloween nowI think I predicted she'd be gone by Xmas. Perhaps she'll be gone by Hallowe'en?
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
While I don't doubt their intentions, the Tories always say this. Much of the welfare state is pension money.
More likely an excuse to fund a new round of welfare to work rubbish that will fail, again.
It's post hoc reasoning presented as a truism. But what is interesting is how the UC uplift narrative is still popular, for example Kay Burley f all people presenting it to Chloe Smith. The money given to the rich could fund an extension of that uplift for a consierable period. So there is sympathy fo rthe notion of icnreasing benefits.
of course the uplift completely ignored legacy benefit claimants who were, and still are, ignored completely, through no fault of their own.
SysOut
¯¯¯
You can't be a radical capitalist in a capitalist system.
She's an extremist certainly, also a fundamentalist, ideologist and belongs to some sort of orthodoxy - but the connaisseurs of all the different flavours of capitalism can hopefully improve our vocabulary - anything but "Trussism" or any other term using a persons name.
Having said that... she certainly isn't Keynsian. (What's a fitting term for that?)
Of course you can. Radicalism just means that you don’t take the way things currently work for granted and you don’t respect traditions and rituals.
SysOut
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Radicalism means changing the very roots of the system.
Thus, getting rid of private property would be radical.
Truss, like others, including the extreme-right (hence their name) is just taking the existing fundamentals of the the present system to extremes.
Nothing radical, but extreme.
ska invita
back on the other side
tearing the bottom out of the welfare state + deregulation is pretty radical
gosub
~#
No you are not you are being idealist. But you are right, Starmers role will be to negotiate downwards the minimum rich realistically can get away with....that is above 45%...I suggest 50%...and hold off on sending the marines into the Caymans!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
You're just projecting your values onto the word. Radical isn't a value judgement. Radical does not = good. Plus you could argue she is changing some fundamental roots of how things have been.
Lurdan
old wave
Ahead of the start of the Tory Party conference tomorrow Truss and Kwarteng (and their speechwriters) have produced matching his 'n' hers newspaper columns explaining the 'necessity' of their actions.
The column by Truss in The Sun (archived copy of the online version here) is illustrated by a photo of her posing yesterday at a British Gas training centre.
Another picture from the same photo session appears on the same page as Kwarteng's piece in the printed version of The Telegraph (archived copy of the online version of the article here), but in this picture she is intently examining a joint in a piece of copper pipe.
The Sun's influence is a fraction of what it once was but its editorial on the same page gives an indication of what they would like their target audience to swallow.
Apparently since the last century we have been living in a regime of "high-tax, big-spending socialism-lite". Guess it's true that you "don't know what you've got till it's gone".
The column by Truss in The Sun (archived copy of the online version here) is illustrated by a photo of her posing yesterday at a British Gas training centre.
Another picture from the same photo session appears on the same page as Kwarteng's piece in the printed version of The Telegraph (archived copy of the online version of the article here), but in this picture she is intently examining a joint in a piece of copper pipe.
The Sun's influence is a fraction of what it once was but its editorial on the same page gives an indication of what they would like their target audience to swallow.
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This is not to say Kwasi Kwarteng’s tax-cutting moves did not cause City turmoil. They did. We have criticised their handling, timing and lack of oversight by the OBR. But our economy was already in poor shape.
That is the legacy of the vast spending and debt binge of the Blair/Brown era, then three Tory PMs who increasingly also believed in an ever-larger State.
The result is a tax burden at a 70-year high and the long, entrenched fall in living standards which Truss, as she says opposite, is desperate to reverse.
She isn’t cutting taxes out of some weird right-wing fetish. She is convinced it will boost growth and make everyone — poor and rich — better off.
Polls look bleak for the Tories. But, given time, we believe her plan can work.
The high-tax, big-spending socialism-lite which has been the orthodoxy here for years has made Britain ever poorer and would continue doing so.
A major reset is long overdue.
This is not to say Kwasi Kwarteng’s tax-cutting moves did not cause City turmoil. They did. We have criticised their handling, timing and lack of oversight by the OBR. But our economy was already in poor shape.
That is the legacy of the vast spending and debt binge of the Blair/Brown era, then three Tory PMs who increasingly also believed in an ever-larger State.
The result is a tax burden at a 70-year high and the long, entrenched fall in living standards which Truss, as she says opposite, is desperate to reverse.
She isn’t cutting taxes out of some weird right-wing fetish. She is convinced it will boost growth and make everyone — poor and rich — better off.
Polls look bleak for the Tories. But, given time, we believe her plan can work.
The high-tax, big-spending socialism-lite which has been the orthodoxy here for years has made Britain ever poorer and would continue doing so.
A major reset is long overdue.
Apparently since the last century we have been living in a regime of "high-tax, big-spending socialism-lite". Guess it's true that you "don't know what you've got till it's gone".
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