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Liz Truss’s time is up

I think you’ve conflated a few things in this and other posts. Nevertheless, yes, trickle-down economics is the kind of scam so transparent that only those who stand to gain massively from it can say the term with a straight face.
Which bits?
 
Yeah. It doesn’t work other than as a justification for anti tax legislation and redistribution of wealth upwards. You ever heard of tax freedom day? My initial academic disciplinary training was in accountancy and finance BTW.

It can and has been used to justify why tax rates should be higher. Agree that it’s mostly a clumsy derivation that lends itself to being used to “explain” why lower taxes can lead to higher Government revenue.

Then tends to be adopted by parties that really don’t give a shit about increasing government revenue tbf.
 
"You cannot rely on a heartless government having a change of heart, but concerted action by the public can force a change of mind – and a national campaign to change policy is the only choice. With a cold winter fast approaching, the time for action is now. The coming war must be against poverty, not against the poor."

This is from Gordon Brown, writing in the Guardian. That's how grave the situation is now.
 
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I hope but do not expect.
The French might have another crack at it though

Unless there is a big turnaround in getting their nuclear reactors online, France is going to be in deep shit unless the winter is exceptionally mild.

eg: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

In the European energy crisis, all of the attention is focused on Germany and gas from Russia. But France and its fleet of struggling nuclear reactors are at least as important. Indeed, the first European city to suffer a blackout as temperatures drop toward the end of the year may well be Paris rather than Berlin.

Not that UK security of sufficient energy supply this winter is assured either. Truss was a fuckwit for promising not to ask us to ration energy.
 
The sterling fall to the lowest rate for 30 odd years is the risk to growth: if the market does not buy the Truss plan and the cost of borrowing goes up then, yes, all bets are off. You are also right that the neo-liberal chicken is coming home to roost in the UK as the chart below indicates. But, the fact remains that Truss is offsetting money that households would have been forecast to have to find. More money in the system - despite the issues you identify - almost (in the short term) produces growth and the sums here are staggering.

Since part of my argument with you the other day about this stuff involved me saying that I hadnt seen any pundits etc claiming that these policies would actually lead to growth, I now wish to acknowledge that some commentators are now hedging their bets by raising the alternative spectre of a return to boom and bust. eg this from the 12:52 entry on the BBC live updates page, by economics editor Faisal Islam:

There are considerable risks in this plan, but the government has thrown the kitchen sink at it. It should help growth upfront.

But the echoes of the last Budget of this size in 1972, which led to an infamous period of boom and bust under chancellor Anthony Barber, will not be comfortable.

 
Since part of my argument with you the other day about this stuff involved me saying that I hadnt seen any pundits etc claiming that these policies would actually lead to growth, I now wish to acknowledge that some commentators are now hedging their bets by raising the alternative spectre of a return to boom and bust. eg this from the 12:52 entry on the BBC live updates page, by economics editor Faisal Islam:




Yes. NIESR is predicting 2% growth. It’s also said a) it’s confected and unsustainable and b) will pose longer term structural problems for the economy;


Meanwhile the market - the Tories allies and presumably who the budget statement is meant to engage have also passed comment:E17798B9-0122-488F-BA00-B0237479A476.jpeg
 
Truss will have spent the time, since she became PM, asking her cabinet if anyone has any ideas on how to fix anything. No doubt then followed by long, long hours of unbroken silence.
 
To truss someone means to tie them up very tightly so that they cannot move. Truss up means the same as truss. If you truss a bird such as a chicken, you prepare it for cooking by tying its legs and wings. Truss up means the same as truss.
 
The barbaric Truss clique are so far to the right, so extreme, that even the grandees of the Revisionist Blairite project are leaning into left populist rhetoric now. The overton window has again shifted to the right.



 
Never before have I wanted to see a face repeatedly pummelled (applies to either of these shit heads)

 
Truss will have spent the time, since she became PM, asking her cabinet if anyone has any ideas on how to fix anything. No doubt then followed by long, long hours of unbroken silence.
If only they had the sense to recognize they had nothing worthwhile to contribute. It's a nice thought that the cabinet were silent, cowed, and cognizant of running out of road, but I expect their first meeting was more a cuntish cacophony of excitement as the gloves came off.
 
Perhaps the barbaric Truss clique have conceded that they can't win the next election so their strategy is not to garner popular support but do all the raping, pillaging and looting of the UK economy they can until they lose power?
No I think they genuinely think this will work and when it fails their response will be we didn't go far enough not that we went too far.
 
I wonder if there will be any pushback within the party? The disgruntled deposed members of the Johnson clique + MPs in marginals who don't want the barbaric Truss clique to scupper their chances of re-election + Tories worried about the barbaric Truss clique tanking the UK economy? Or will enough of them gamble on on barbaric Truss clique turning things around?
 
I wonder if there will be any pushback within the party? The disgruntled deposed members of the Johnson clique + MPs in marginals who don't want the barbaric Truss clique to scupper their chances of re-election + Tories worried about the barbaric Truss clique tanking the UK economy? Or will enough of them gamble on on barbaric Truss clique turning things around?
I think there will be pushback from her own MP's they cover a fairly broad range of views on things and she was not their first choice as Leader but was foisted on them by the party members. Personally I doubt Loopy Lizzie will last more than a year.
But there is more than two years to the next election so they probably think if her mad schemes don't work out there is plenty of time yet to dump her and get someone else.
 
Truss has supposedly alienated the party by not bringing in all the talents (yes I am aware that talent is not something you can actually apply to politicians especially tory ones) and going for sycophants and enablers only.


It does look like they’ve got a bit giddy at getting hold of the keys and are pressing through with all the bad ideas at the same time out of excitement without reading the temperature of the room to give them pause
 
Truss has supposedly alienated the party by not bringing in all the talents (yes I am aware that talent is not something you can actually apply to politicians especially tory ones) and going for sycophants and enablers only.


It does look like they’ve got a bit giddy at getting by the keys and are pressing through with all the bad ideas at the same time out of excitement without reading the temperature of the room to give them pause

I can see how 12 years of zero accountability and getting away with anything they want might lead to them getting high on their own supply.


As if giving £150 billion of public money to private energy companies isn't 're-distribution'! They really bank on people having zero knowledge or critical thinking don't they?
 
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