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I think beating Wigan in a week's time is more important than the Chelsea game. Both corresponding games last season were drawn but losing 2 points against the likes of Wigan at home is where it went wrong last season. If 5 drawn games had been turned into wins last season LFC would have finished a point above Utd.

Sunderland and Man City away and Boro at home have brought 9 points this season when the games were heading for draws or worse. That bodes well. Beating Wigan and drawing at Chelsea would be great. Chelsea have easily looked the best team in the league this season so far. 2 wins would be time to start thinking the unthinkable.
 
Allegedly LFC are in financial trouble, their £350m of debt needs to be restructured partly in Jan and nobody wants to offer the cash.

Anyone need Torres on the cheap?
 
Read on teamtalk that man city are conmsiderig offerig torress 200k a week to sign for them!


clearly bollocks but funny.

dave
 
ch750536 said:
Allegedly LFC are in financial trouble, their £350m of debt needs to be restructured partly in Jan and nobody wants to offer the cash.

Anyone need Torres on the cheap?
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Wrong on two counts. Unfortunately it appears that Tom & Jerry have been given the extra six months - ie to Jul 09 by the banks. If this offer is withdrawn at any time or they choose to bail out, Sheikh Mo (and a couple of other parties) is waiting in the wings to splash the cash and buy the club outright.
 
Biffo said:
Wrong on two counts. Unfortunately it appears that Tom & Jerry have been given the extra six months - ie to Jul 09 by the banks. If this offer is withdrawn at any time or they choose to bail out, Sheikh Mo (and a couple of other parties) is waiting in the wings to splash the cash and buy the club outright.
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Ha ha....of course they are...much of Dubai (indeed the UAE's) finance is leveraged debt too. Now they have more chance of paying it back due to oil (in the same way as Roman could pay off Chelsea's) but it's done in exactly the same way as the Glazers. How much will the Yanks want? £450m? What bank is going lend them that when their own balance sheets are royally screwed?
 
g force said:
Ha ha....of course they are...much of Dubai (indeed the UAE's) finance is leveraged debt too. Now they have more chance of paying it back due to oil (in the same way as Roman could pay off Chelsea's) but it's done in exactly the same way as the Glazers. How much will the Yanks want? £450m? What bank is going lend them that when their own balance sheets are royally screwed?
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I'm talking about an individual as opposed to an organisation. DIC aren't in the frame anymore but the Sheikh (and his own personal wealth) is.

The Yanks currently want in excess of £500m which he is not willing to pay. Gillett wants to sell but Hicks will not sell unless he has to - hence the extreme price. If the bank calls the loan in early then he will have no option.
 
At the mo you have 2 owners who have put in £1.3m of their own money to buy the club.

They have £245m in loans to KFL with only 1 source of revenue, the club.

The club has a £65m loan from the group, to be repaid when the group needs.
The club also has a £105m facility, with £60 earmarked for the stadium and now unusable. The rest of the facility is like a big overdraft.

So, who is servicing the cost of buying the club? The yanks? NO.... It is the paying fan.

Debt on £100m @9% directly + £200m @ 5% covering the debt of the group (someone has to ) = about £20m a year from your tickets.

Fools!

And for info, £105m has to refinanced in Jan, even if they do ask for an extension in writing.

The really nice thing is that the yanks have to by law cover the cost of buying the club personally if it all goes tits up (anyone told them that yet?), this was set at about £240m, so the absolute most the banks could chase LFC for is £110m.

That being the case, keep your cash in your pocket, don't go to any more games or buy any shirts.
Don't watch the games on the telly.
They go bump, bank sells them for 300m to someone more worthy who wont be charging you for the privilege of them owning the club.
 
Posted on the La Liga thread but more relevant here now I suppose.

Athletico Madrid apparently have to play their next 3 Champions League home games at a neutral venue (300km from Madrid) following trouble at their home match v Marseille 2 weeks ago. The Police appeared to batter Marseille fans with little or no provocation.

Very short notice for Liverpool fans who have flights and accommodation booked for Madrid next week. Is this Uefa taking the piss following the 2007 final?

ETA: Confirmed here - http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/kind=512/newsid=761348.html

So disgruntled LFC and AM fans travelling at least 300kms from Madrid are going to be in a good mood for this game then. 8 days notice ffs.
 
Biffo said:
Very short notice for Liverpool fans who have flights and accommodation booked for Madrid next week. Is this Uefa taking the piss following the 2007 final?
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Nah, the two match home ban was probably rushed in so they could be served during the group stage (in case they fail to make it to the knockouts?).
The Spaniards also get a record fine and for both games against Liverpool Aguirre "will not be allowed at an official event during and after the match, or in the tunnel, technical area or dressing room. Any communication with the team is also forbidden."

I agree it's a pisser for the fans who've already made arrangements.
 
Good news IMO...something had to be done. Shame for LFC fans who have booked but the wider message is more important. In terms of where they'll play, banning Madrid makes things tricky because of capacity issues.

As I said in the La Liga thread the basic options seem to be:

Getafe (Madrid outskirts..so maybe too close but less hassle for fans), cap 17,000
Valladolid - Jose Zorilla, cap 26,500
Real Zaragoza - La Romerda, cap 35,000
Valencia - Mestella cap 55,000 - but also in the CL league so tricky but a long way from MAdrid.

Of course, you'd have to think Valencia wouldn't want to host another game anyway so I'd think Zaragoza's the front runner due to the larger capacity and being far more 'neutral' than Getafe.
 
would seem only reasonable to make AM to pay for any Liverpool fans arriving into Madrid to be transferred to and from the match, wtf should they (liverpool supporters) lose out as well?
 
Depends where it's held TBH....because barring Getafe (which IMO isn't an option anyway) getting anyone transferred will be difficult. Atleti could put on a shed load of coaches and take the fans to the stadium. The best option (logistically) would be Valldolid, about 2.5 hours by car and I guess 26,000 capacity stadium would suffice. You could then get back to Madrid for hotels/flights etc after the game.

Zaragoza by car is 3.5 hours.
Valencia is closer to 4 hours.
 
its got to be 300k away from Madrid, so that would probably have to be Valencia/Zaragoza I'd guess. Or Real Sociedads place, be nice for them to go to Aldo's old ground.
 
The Liverpool Echo is suggesting Valencia will b ethe venue, but not quoting a source.

If Athletico Madrid appeal, a result will not be known until Sunday. This incident happened two weeks ago. I can't see beyond Uefa's timing of this as an opportunity to fuck Liverpool off whilst doing the right thing against Athletico Madrid.
 
belboid said:
its got to be 300k away from Madrid, so that would probably have to be Valencia/Zaragoza I'd guess. Or Real Sociedads place, be nice for them to go to Aldo's old ground.
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Has to be 300km minimum? I agree Valencia is the best option but Zaragoza is just a lot easier logistically, it punishes Atleti but is still far enough way to be considered Neutral.
 
i imagine its minimum, would be hard to find a ground precisely that far (or maybe thats another part of their cunning plan....) so sayeth biffo's link
 
Nou Camp then..we're away in Switzerland that night, it's got decent airport links to Madrid, high speed rail line between the two cities, potential to swap flights from multiple UK airports.
 
Torres is out for about 10 days (hamstring) which would mean him missing Wigan home and Athletico Madrid and Chelsea away :( Mind you, he wasn't required in the defeat of Man Utd so maybe he's just a luxury player......?

Babel is also injured and Benayoun has been playing on painkilling injections.

Keane/Kuyt or Keane/Gerrard in a 4-4-2 would work.
 
Couldn't really give a toss about missing him for the first two games as we should win those but I reckon we need Torres for the Chelsea game. But maybe I'm wrong and Kuyt and Keane will link up well for a few goals. Who knows.
 
N_igma said:
Couldn't really give a toss about missing him for the first two games as we should win those but I reckon we need Torres for the Chelsea game. But maybe I'm wrong and Kuyt and Keane will link up well for a few goals. Who knows.
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I'd be happy with a draw against A Madrid tbh.
 
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