How do you know? The total amount of money that is lost to fraud is completely unknown. All we know is how much has been found to be fraudulent.
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How do you know? The total amount of money that is lost to fraud is completely unknown. All we know is how much has been found to be fraudulent.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
If you want to have a debate about it, take it to a different thread. Not this one.
Whilst I feel deeply sorry for your loss, you cannot blame the DWP. The people who work for the DWP are generally very sympathetic to those they come into contact with. I know a number of people who have found them to be both helpful and supportive.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
You've been asked to take this elsewhere, please do so. Post reported.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This is not a discussion thread.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Your opinion is worth nothing, as it's prejudice masquerading as opinion. If you had even a small clue what you were talking about, you'd know that you're chatting shit.
Now fuck off back under your bridge, you worm-cocked twat.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Including HB, £17 billion last year.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Twat. The total amount of money lost to fraud and error is well-known.
Unless you're implying that all claimants are suspect, which would make you an ignorant, know-nothing cunt of the first water.
What a silly and ignorant claim to make. The DWP is uncovering previously unknown cases of fraud on a daily basis.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Fuck. Off.
Treacle Toes
Time
Read the title of this thread ffs!
Why are you on this thread? Please take your inappropriate discussion about fraud to another thread. If you continue to post this shit on this thread you will prove yourself an absolute trolling cunt.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And at the end of every year, those cases are quantified, added together, and represented as an annualised figure, you utter cretin.
You really don't get it, do you grasshopper?
Let me explain it as simply as I possibly can : Of course the discovered cases can be quantified. Those cases of fraud that have not been discovered cannot be quantified. We can only make a thumb suck guess as to how many cases go undiscovered.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And you're basing your censure of benefits on your unquantified preconceptions of how much fraud might be going on. You might as well base a case for your wife committing adultery on how many other people she might be banging behind your back, "grasshopper".
Er, no grasshopper. You are building a straw man very poorly. I have no preconception at all. I have repeatedly said that it cannot be quantified, other than by thumb suck.
Libertad
Sparking up a rollie in the Reichstag
Enough, please leave the thread for those who wish to use it for the purpose that it was created.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
ViolentPanda, the village idiot is digging himself enough holes on the other thread - I suggest you'll find enough fish to shoot in that barrel... 
editor
hiraethified
You're banned from this thread.
thanks editor
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I expect we all know this, still it's good detail for some of the willfully ignorant beyond this parish, if they cba.
I work for the DWP as a Universal Credit case manager – and what I've witnessed is shocking
I work for the DWP as a Universal Credit case manager – and what I've witnessed is shocking
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Good man
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Unbelievable:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The companies running the assessments have been pulled up about this before, and had given assurances that it wouldn't happen again.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
they are still doing this shit! oh ffs.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
They were never going to stop.The companies running the assessments have been pulled up about this before, and had given assurances that it wouldn't happen again.
Even if we assume the most benign explanation - that people who are not trained to deal with suicidal people are liable, for all kinds of reasons, to say crass things - the system will not change: they're not going to train their people in supportive, enabling strategies to work with people in that condition, particularly since the entire approach is predicated on the idea that "you're not ill, you're just swinging the lead". They'd rather push them in front of their clients, ignorant and unskilled, because it doesn't really matter.
When you are assuming that everyone who comes through the door is trying it on, you're not exactly starting from the right place to help a suicidal client. Pretty much every credible suicide intervention strategy says "if someone says they're suicidal, assume that they are and deal with them accordingly". That flies in the face of this assessment process and the assumptions that underlie it. It doesn't mean "OMG,WTF, help. I've got a suicidal in front of me!"; it means exploring with sensitivity and care what that person is actually thinking. I know from extensive experience that when you do get the try-on merchants, they don't stick at it long when you're taking them seriously, but it takes an act of faith to do that. These twats aren't interested in that.
So they trigger the occasional suicide along the way? So what, they'd probably have done it anyway. And feh, it's only a cry for help/manipulative behaviour. They won't do it really.
They should be held to account for this. They won't be.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The only real comeback is reporting the individual assessor to their individual professional association, most of whom are supine on matters of discipline unless their member is killing people, or bringing the association into disrepute.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
It is 1.2 billion a year. Happy now? Off you fuck.
crossthebreeze
Well-Known Member
Elaine Morrall RIP - just saw this on facebook HEART-RENDING: Mum who died alone in the cold with her hat and scarf on
Her mum put this letter on social media, addressed to local councillors:
My daughter lived in Boston ave. She died on the afternoon of 2 November 2017 at home on her own. She was 38yrs.
In the cold with her coat & scarf on. Because she wouldn't put her heating on until her kids came home from school. Why ?? Because she couldn't afford it.
Because she was severely depressed. Suffered from eating disorder & many other problems for many years.
Mainly due to authoritarians of 1 form or another. I can give you details. Was in & out of hospital in recent months in intensive care.
But was deemed not ill enough for esa. Had her benefits stopped numerous times, which in turn stopped her housing benefit.
No income but expected to be able to pay full rent. Was told being in intensive care was not sufficient reason for failing to attend a universal credit interview.
I went to the job centre to inform them them that she couldn't attend. But benefits stopped again.
Uncaring housing taking her to court. She's due to go to court on monday. Is being dead now enough reason. Is that what's had to happen to prove she was ill??
How many people have got to die before this government realises they are killing vulnerable people??
What are you and your fellow councillors going to do to protect your constituents??
Linda Morrall
Broken hearted mother
Her mum put this letter on social media, addressed to local councillors:
My daughter lived in Boston ave. She died on the afternoon of 2 November 2017 at home on her own. She was 38yrs.
In the cold with her coat & scarf on. Because she wouldn't put her heating on until her kids came home from school. Why ?? Because she couldn't afford it.
Because she was severely depressed. Suffered from eating disorder & many other problems for many years.
Mainly due to authoritarians of 1 form or another. I can give you details. Was in & out of hospital in recent months in intensive care.
But was deemed not ill enough for esa. Had her benefits stopped numerous times, which in turn stopped her housing benefit.
No income but expected to be able to pay full rent. Was told being in intensive care was not sufficient reason for failing to attend a universal credit interview.
I went to the job centre to inform them them that she couldn't attend. But benefits stopped again.
Uncaring housing taking her to court. She's due to go to court on monday. Is being dead now enough reason. Is that what's had to happen to prove she was ill??
How many people have got to die before this government realises they are killing vulnerable people??
What are you and your fellow councillors going to do to protect your constituents??
Linda Morrall
Broken hearted mother
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