Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
There lots of reports filter though of major fighting in and near Ajdabia and Misrata
Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement
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Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
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Idaho
blah blah blah
I'm just wondering what scenarios wouldn't manifest themselves to you as zionist conspiracies?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Think he's telling the west he wants a ceasfire while doing an israel trying to make the facts on the ground match his view.
unfortunatly the UN agreement allows everything short of a full on invasion.
if dave and sarcozy decide to use it to the max extent I would'nt want to be in gadaffis army Soviet style armoured forces out in the open at night in a desert no air defence worth shit and no where to hide.
Its a target rich enviroment
unfortunatly the UN agreement allows everything short of a full on invasion.
if dave and sarcozy decide to use it to the max extent I would'nt want to be in gadaffis army Soviet style armoured forces out in the open at night in a desert no air defence worth shit and no where to hide.
Its a target rich enviroment
TruXta
tired
I imagine that's a bit like asking butchers what facts of society aren't entirely and fully explained by economics and class.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
as someone said elsewhere
weltweit
Well-Known Member
The timing of things is interesting. First Thursday the UN Security Council resolution was passed and we were told aircraft could be in action on Friday, but now on Friday Cameron has made a statement to the house and apparently there will be a vote in Parliament next week. Plus there will be a summit meeting in Paris on Saturday. Does this mean UK planes will not be in action until next week after the vote in the commons?
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Oh look the sheep get a vote!
elbows
Well-Known Member
Well thats one reason why they like to almost entirely eliminate the possibility of any enemies flying in the zone early on.
Idaho
blah blah blah
Since the UN vote mandated 'any necessary action'.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Yes well...they could have asked me before changing the wording of the resolution.
I'd write them a letter protesting in the strongest terms.
Send 'em some dog shit for good measure.
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
They slipped it in at the last minute.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes, and also even if it had remained just a no-fly-zone, that also involves bombing of certain targets too, because its really a 'we fly zone'.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I think I can hazard a guess about what is going to happen next.
Gaddafi has called a ceasefire thinking a number of things.
First he is hoping that he can dampen the Wests justification for an immediate attack while hoping that such a delaying action will further exacerbate political divisions in Europe.
Second he may have decided that he can leave Benghazi for now and mop up resistance in the cities he has already taken back with police and civil security actions. In this respect he is relying on his already formidable state repressive apparatus instead of his military and therefore avoiding the demands of the West altogether whilst continuing to reestablish his authority and deepen repression against oppositionists. In doing so he hopes to further isolate Benghazi and consolodate his grip elsewhere.
Third he may use any delays to strengthen his forces around Benghazi and also strengthen his supply lines etc.
Aware of this I think there is every possibility of the West extending it's demands in a manner reminiscent of Iraq pre invasion. I think we can expect a demand for Gaddafi to withdraw his forces from the East. A demand accompanied by air strikes on his forces around Benghazi. I think we may also see a hardening of position and more explicit calls for his resignation.
Slowly slowly we may see the West move from no fly zone, to strikes on ground forces, to regime change. In this respect it is a repeat of Iraq.
Gaddafi has called a ceasefire thinking a number of things.
First he is hoping that he can dampen the Wests justification for an immediate attack while hoping that such a delaying action will further exacerbate political divisions in Europe.
Second he may have decided that he can leave Benghazi for now and mop up resistance in the cities he has already taken back with police and civil security actions. In this respect he is relying on his already formidable state repressive apparatus instead of his military and therefore avoiding the demands of the West altogether whilst continuing to reestablish his authority and deepen repression against oppositionists. In doing so he hopes to further isolate Benghazi and consolodate his grip elsewhere.
Third he may use any delays to strengthen his forces around Benghazi and also strengthen his supply lines etc.
Aware of this I think there is every possibility of the West extending it's demands in a manner reminiscent of Iraq pre invasion. I think we can expect a demand for Gaddafi to withdraw his forces from the East. A demand accompanied by air strikes on his forces around Benghazi. I think we may also see a hardening of position and more explicit calls for his resignation.
Slowly slowly we may see the West move from no fly zone, to strikes on ground forces, to regime change. In this respect it is a repeat of Iraq.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yep.Cos they saw they had to
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I have no idea who's in the Arab League.
Does the winner qualify for the prelims of the Champions League?
Does the winner qualify for the prelims of the Champions League?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
France (and Cameron) seem particularly gung ho so yes this is a real possibility and soon. I think Gaddafi is hoping to provoke a backlash within the EU. Germany, the most powerful member of the EU, is already very uneasy about the whole adventure and air attacks without a very clear example of Libyan human rights abuses such as an explicit air attack on civilians, may cause them to be more outspoken. (At least Gaddafi hopes)
elbows
Well-Known Member
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I've not been following this. Is there solid proof he has bombed his own people?
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Have you been watching the news over the last few weeks? There's been tons of fighting in urban, built up areas.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
There is evidence of him using heavy weapons such as anti aircraft guns and recoilless rifles etc on demonstrators when they first broke out in Benghazi and other towns and he certainly used lethal fire against unarmed protesters right from the beginning but stories of aircraft strafing unarmed demonstrators seem to be propaganda, like tales of mercenaries. But that hasn't stopped the stories being repeated by Western politicians like Cameron. Clearly there have been air attacks on armed rebels and on rebel controlled towns which probably hit civilians which whilst very brutal and militarily giving him the edge, is hardly bombing unarmed demonstrators for demonstrating. In short there is an awful lot of hype and propaganda around which is being used gleefully by those favouring Western intervention.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Hands off Libya! Brits out!
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