No. I want to look at real uses of the word "coercion". It doesn't have a class struggle meaning. Violence doesn't have a class struggle meaning. Just because you don't look at something in the abstract doesn't mean that you look at it politically.
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No. I want to look at real uses of the word "coercion". It doesn't have a class struggle meaning. Violence doesn't have a class struggle meaning. Just because you don't look at something in the abstract doesn't mean that you look at it politically.
Its not just to do with me its how you appear to everyone. Perhaps you don't give a fuck anyway and my efforts are in vain. But my efforts were real.
and you think you're doing that over the internet? PMSL
You're a tough nut to crack. Definitely. I'm not. You actually cowed me at one point! Much to my annoyance.
Blagsta
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We were talking about the use of the word in the context of class struggle.
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Get a thicker skin or stop using the internet would be my advice.
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I don't really care, no. Why should I?
I've got very thick skin. Its not to do with insults. Its to do with manipulation. You're very good at it and very resistant to it.
Curious. You're even less empathetic than me.
Doesn't matter. It still means what it means. That's not to say that there are no situations where it is open to interpretation. But the converse doesn't hold either. You cannot just freely interpret concepts in any situation.
kyser_soze
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It is coercive tho - the w/c using force to get something, as opposed to the reverse.
Eh? What are you going on about? If someone makes a direct threat and says 'If you behave this way X will happen to you', something that has real world results it's coercive (even if the result is positive); if someone simply says to me 'You should behave like this' it's a request and up to me to decide on it's merits.
As for 'affecting someone's social standing' on a website...please.
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It does matter because it's the context we are talking about. You can't abstract it.
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However, it is "coercive" only in that it is resisting the coercion of wage labour.
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Sorry, what? You can be manipulated via a website? As I said, get a thicker skin.
I must admit I care about my social standing here. It came as a surprise to me. Normally I'm the last person to care about what people think of me. I usually get fired from jobs for making rude remarks.
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psychopathic personality disorder innit
kyser_soze
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Blag, you were the one who wanted the dictionary definition of coercion, which I provided and now you're trying to say that in the context of class war a strike isn't a coercive act? An attempt to use force to drive change? Of course it is - compelling someone to do something by force or authority, and a strike is a use of force.
Its not to do with thicker skin.
But anyway you obviously feel free to coerce people with thin skin as that's they're fault.
Edit: I should have said 'their' instead of 'they're'. Pointing out my bad grammar or pointing out logical errors is the way to cow me. (I don't care about spelling at all though). These are the things which cause me social embarrassment. I'm not entirely sure why, but they do. You can manipulate me to a small degree. I will go back and check posts if this type of accusation is made. In that very particular and peculiar sense I have a thin skin.
To be honest that was the conclusion I was drifting towards.
Blagsta
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I'm saying is that it's more complex than just using a dictionary definition. From the bosses pov, it's coercive, but from a workers pov, it's resistance to coercion. Choose a side, you can't stay neutral.
Blagsta
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You have a very curious defintion of coercion! Salesmen must love you.
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Sense of humour failure.
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See, I understand this. Irony etc.
This however, seems to be a non-sequiter.
It wasn't irony. Its the sad truth!
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You are capable of very sharp remarks. It was a complement, believe it or not.
I agree. It is important in that particular context to call coercion "coercion". It is politically important not to be cowed by bourgeois moralism. It is politically important to understand the necessity of coercion in the class struggle. It is also important to understand the role of coercion in the class struggle. If you deny that coercion exists for politically correct reasons then you can end up as an apologist for dubious methods of struggle - terrorism for example.
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You've completely missed what I was saying about "coercion" depending on your pov.
It doesn't though. That's just a lie. Just as coercion for a good cause is still coercion, a lie for a good cause is still a lie. Don't fuck with language - that's for weasels.
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You're the one fucking with language Mr Weasel. You're attempting to say that resisting coercion is also coercion.
Your previous arguement was relativist ie. meaning is relative to who uses it. You can't say I'm fucking about with language if you think that anybody can interpret words however they like to suit their cause. If you sincerely believed your relativism then you would accept my interpretation just as much as any other interpretation. But you don't. As I say, to say that a strike isn't a form of coercion is just a lie. It really is.
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