Let's talk about China
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not-bono-ever
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Cambodia building collapse death toll rises
7 storey bulidng collapses. usual chinese ownership story & corner cutting .Building owner arrested but I am sure he will be out in a day or two after palms have been greased. Snooky really is a terrible shithole.The locals are being treated like dogs & resentment is now palpable
not-bono-ever
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Li peng brown bread. Wanker
Laos too, especially the north. Turned it into a huge banana plantation. Though they havev built some much needed new roads which has cut driving up around there by hours.
maomao
普費斯
About 31 years too late murdering cunt.
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Books, not bombs
Not a great loss
BBC News - Li Peng: Former Chinese premier known as 'Butcher of Beijing' dies at 90
'Butcher of Beijing' Li Peng dies at 90
BBC News - Li Peng: Former Chinese premier known as 'Butcher of Beijing' dies at 90
'Butcher of Beijing' Li Peng dies at 90
JimW
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There's these lines in the Xinhua obit:
1989年春夏之交的政治风波中，在以邓小平同志为代表的老一辈无产阶级革命家坚决支持下，李鹏同志旗帜鲜明，和中央政治局大多数同志一道，采取果断措施制止动乱，平息反革命暴乱，稳定了国内局势，在这场关系党和国家前途命运的重大斗争中发挥了重要作用。
"During the political turmoil of the late spring and early summer of 1989, with the firm support of the older generation of proletarian revolutionaries represented by Deng Xiaoping, Li Peng took a clear stand, and like the majority of the Party central committee, adopted decisive measures to bring the unrest to an end, put down the counter-revolutionary rebellion and bring stability to the domestic situation. He played an important role in this major struggle affecting the fate of the Party and the nation."
Surprised they admit that the party centre wasn't unanimous, not sure if it would be Kremlinology to wonder why it was phrased like that. Also as usual it's the fate of the Party comes first, however many you have to kill.
1989年春夏之交的政治风波中，在以邓小平同志为代表的老一辈无产阶级革命家坚决支持下，李鹏同志旗帜鲜明，和中央政治局大多数同志一道，采取果断措施制止动乱，平息反革命暴乱，稳定了国内局势，在这场关系党和国家前途命运的重大斗争中发挥了重要作用。
"During the political turmoil of the late spring and early summer of 1989, with the firm support of the older generation of proletarian revolutionaries represented by Deng Xiaoping, Li Peng took a clear stand, and like the majority of the Party central committee, adopted decisive measures to bring the unrest to an end, put down the counter-revolutionary rebellion and bring stability to the domestic situation. He played an important role in this major struggle affecting the fate of the Party and the nation."
Surprised they admit that the party centre wasn't unanimous, not sure if it would be Kremlinology to wonder why it was phrased like that. Also as usual it's the fate of the Party comes first, however many you have to kill.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
bloody Chinese commies coming over here slapping out torys why can't we produce homegrown Tory slappers anymore
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whatever government system you use you have to allow innovation criticism and fresh blood if it revolves around the big man and his immediate circle it will collapse the chance to try different things and even fail at things gives you the flexibility to deal with the unforeseen
otherwise, your system breaks that what did for the Soviet union the inability to cope with change.
.whatever government system you use you have to allow innovation criticism and fresh blood if it revolves around the big man and his immediate circle it will collapse the chance to try different things and even fail at things gives you the flexibility to deal with the unforeseen
otherwise, your system breaks that what did for the Soviet union the inability to cope with change.
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not-bono-ever
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China brings in mandatory facial recognition for mobile phone users
Mandatory facial recognition now. Brave new world
Mandatory facial recognition now. Brave new world
Pretty serious protests in a small town in Guangdong, just 60 miles away from Hong Kong.
Chinese riot police fire teargas and beat up protesters in Guangdong province
Some of the footage of it on YouTube is quite incredible - battalions of riot police marching towards barricades with a barrage of fireworks being launched at them from hard hat wearing protestors.
Reports from Apple Daily claim that people were heard to shout "Liberate Maoming, Revolution of our Times", referencing Hong Kong protests.
https://time.com
Chinese riot police fire teargas and beat up protesters in Guangdong province
Some of the footage of it on YouTube is quite incredible - battalions of riot police marching towards barricades with a barrage of fireworks being launched at them from hard hat wearing protestors.
Reports from Apple Daily claim that people were heard to shout "Liberate Maoming, Revolution of our Times", referencing Hong Kong protests.
https://time.com
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It is hard to say - bear in mind that these kinds of protest happen quite often in China, although I suspect the ferocity, tenacity, and determination of this one might be related to Hong Kong protests having some success. Also, this was related to a specific issue, namely building either a crematorium or an incinerator in the town, which residents had previously been told was some kind of ecological park.
However, there is obviously more at play than a mere crematorium. There's been a lot of over-construction of housing in order to keep GDP figures high, and a lot of people have been sold false promises about buying some apartment in a kind of crappy town being an amazing investment. I imagine the people protesting are people whose families have sacrificed a lot in order to afford a small apartment in a small town, and have been told a lot of lies by property developers and local government along the way. And now not only have property prices failed to increase as they had been promised, but now the local government again lied to them about building an ecological park when they were building a crematorium, and in China nobody would be happy about living close to a crematorium so everything they and their families invested to afford a home would lose all its value.
On top of it, the people protesting are basically working class and probably have relatively low incomes by the standard of Guangdong province (which is one of the most prosperous parts of China) and there are a lot of other economic pressures they are facing too - namely the price of pork, the default meat of China has skyrocketed, and the economy is generally in a slowdown, so they would be facing these pressures too.
I think it's unlikely that they would have identified with the slick and arrogant (in their eyes) Hong Kongers at first, but in one of those videos they are wearing hard hats which points to some influence and after battling with police themselves I can imagine them feeling increased sympathy to HK.
As for what it means - these sorts of thing are only going to multiply as the economy gets worse and house prices start to fall. Xi Jinping has also effectively broken the Chinese government by making the reporting of any bad news impossible, which is why they thought they'd win in the local elections in HK, and why the swine flu spread so bad - people tried to cover it up instead of reporting it. I think the Emperor being told only what he wants to hear is also why China at present seems to be systematically destroying its international relations and seems oblivious to how it is hurting its own interests. So on top of the innumerable economic problems of China at the moment you also have an out of touch leadership living in an echo chamber who are probably going to make things even worse.
In short - things are going to get nasty. I left China nearly 2 and a half years ago, and I started to feel like things were going to get nasty since about 3 years ago - events since seem to have confirmed my intuition. You see the explosion of pent up aggression in the above videos - OK, now imagine what it looks like when the property bubble finally bursts and hundreds of millions of people in every township and county and city find that their life savings of several generations, which they were encouraged to invest in property in order to keep the bubble rolling as long as possible have been suddenly wiped out. It isn't going to be pretty.
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