In principle - would you accept work in China?

[Yossarian]

As it currently is, no.

But China is the people rather than the dreadful Xi regime. One day he'll be dismantled.

I'd prefer to see his regime dismantled but I definitely won't complain if Xi happens to get torn asunder in the process

 

[teuchter]

Why would you work in a country which locks away those in need on disease infected floating death-traps?

Probably as a result of choosing from options reasonably available to you.

 

[teuchter]

There are about 58,000 urban members. Let's say for the sake of argument 20,000 of them are urban posters. I'd say a great proportion of 20,000 is 10,000+/20,000, not 11/20,000. You puffed up windbag

So you agree that at least 11 urban75 posters are unable to read and respond to a specific question. Your judgement seems even harsher than mine.

 

[Pickman's model]

So you agree that at least 11 urban75 posters are unable to read and respond to a specific question. Your judgement seems even harsher than mine.

No, I haven't said that you mendacious cow turd. I've taken issue with your claim that 11 posters can be considered a great proportion

 

[JimW]

Perhaps because it's a view from the inside, I also distinguish between types of clients - I do independent film scripts, novels and art stuff. Some of that adds to the lustre of the regime but indirectly at best and none of it is at the behest of the opinion managers. Though I have in the past worked with state poverty alleviation and environmental agencies.
And to start the whataboutery, India strikes me as objectively worse at the moment. There was that cunt parading his murdered daughter on a motorbike only this week.

 

[moochedit]

Never had any interest in living or working in another country so no for me.

 

[LDC]

I'm not interested in answers about the practicality or desirability of working overseas - that's not what this thread is about.

The question is purely about whether there would be an ethical/moral aspect to your decision-making, assuming it's something you'd not rule out for other reasons.

Not just from 'working in China', no. It would depend on the job itself entirely, a big difference between working for the Chinese State in say a prison, and working for a multinational company that had an office in China.

 

[JimW]

Mind you, some of the art people are awful.

 

[redsquirrel]

Given I already do all of those things at the moment, there's not a lot of difference whether I do that here or in China, but it does raise moral issues that I don't know the answer to. It's an easy get-out to say that the provision of education should overcome any moral qualms, but we are on occasion asked to make sure our resources comply with Chinese censorship laws, which makes it even more murky.

As well as the moral question there's the question of one's safety. Putting aside everything else I'd be wary, there are a few (relatively rare admittedly) cases of people getting into serious bother. Sure UCU had a case on this some time back (forgotten details).

 

[weltweit]

It all depends ..

I wouldn't accept work as a Chinese refuse worker

The work would need to be spectacularly well paid

 

[Pickman's model]

It all depends ..

I wouldn't accept work as a Chinese refuse worker

The work would need to be spectacularly well paid

you would refuse refuse work?

 

[weltweit]

you would refuse refuse work?

I would I would

And I would refuse spectacularly well paid refuse work also !!

 

[LDC]

There aren't many jobs I would turn down for ethical or political reasons tbh.

 

[StoneRoad]

nope, not about to work overseas, and especially not in a dictatorship [political, secular or religious].

 

[The39thStep]

There aren't many jobs I would turn down for ethical or political reasons tbh.

Anything to do with Man Utd is a no no for me.

 

[LDC]

Anything to do with Man Utd is a no no for me.

Yeah, crossing the Pennines into a world of incessant rain would be mine.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Anything to do with Man Utd is a no no for me.

If they want to pay me two hundred grand a week to play up front for them I'd be right in there tbh.

Although I probably wouldn't have to grapple with the ethical implications of scoring any goals for them.

 

[teuchter]

No, I haven't said that you mendacious cow turd. I've taken issue with your claim that 11 posters can be considered a great proportion

I did not say anything about 11 posters being a great proportion. You came up with the number and we can only suppose that you did this by counting posters that you felt satisfied the criteria. I think you should apologise to those 11 posters.

 

[Yossarian]

And to start the whataboutery

How much access do you have to uncensored news about China?

 

[JimW]

How much access do you have to uncensored news about China?

Full. ETA By which I mean I can personally access it via a VPN.

 

[teuchter]

Not just from 'working in China', no. It would depend on the job itself entirely, a big difference between working for the Chinese State in say a prison, and working for a multinational company that had an office in China.

How about the example strung out gave, of a university lecturer, tasked to teach a curriculum modified to comply with state censorship rules etc?

 

[The39thStep]

If they want to pay me two hundred grand a week to play up front for them I'd be right in there tbh.

Although I probably wouldn't have to grapple with the ethical implications of scoring any goals for them.

Could always go off sick for the first six months

 

[The39thStep]

Yeah, crossing the Pennines into a world of incessant rain would be mine.

sunny today

 

[krtek a houby]

I did not say anything about 11 posters being a great proportion. You came up with the number and we can only suppose that you did this by counting posters that you felt satisfied the criteria. I think you should apologise to those 11 posters.

In the meantime, you can apologise to the large proportion of urban posters you mentioned earlier.

 

[JimW]

Also weirdly some of the major news portals aren't blocked and was eg able to read a detailed AP report on the camps in Xinjiang on the open local web.

 

[LDC]

How about the example strung out gave, of a university lecturer, tasked to teach a curriculum modified to comply with state censorship rules etc?

Yeah I dunno. I largely think all the personal decisions about about consumerism and work etc. is just pointless individualistic bollocks that in part has taken the place of politics. So I hate it and mostly think all these decisions are bullshit to make people feel better about themselves and morally sound. I think there's loads of good pragmatic reasons not to take some jobs though; like I wouldn't work in a slaughterhouse, but I don't think it's an important political decision, it'd just be grim.

 

[kebabking]

I would not accept work in/for China, I'm struggling to think of anyone I'd work for in the middle east, and I wouldn't work in/for India.

Russia, obvs...

I'm not that sure about working for a US company - I'm very unlikely to actually work there.

 

[The39thStep]

Just waiting for a 'I'd rather work in a school in the US that teaches creationism in a state that bans abortions' type poster to turn up out of the blue.

 

[Elpenor]

you would refuse refuse work?

in principle - would you accept work with teuchter?

 

[teuchter]

In the meantime, you can apologise to the large proportion of urban posters you mentioned earlier.

I am not going to apologise for stating facts.