Leicester East MP found guilty, will appeal

[PR1Berske]

I don't know anything about this particular case, but it's hard not to notice that BME female left-wing MPs seem to end up in court a lot.

I'm not really happy to encourage this kind of innuendo, to be honest.

 

[killer b]

I'm not really happy to encourage this kind of innuendo, to be honest.

it isn't meant to be innuendo: I was wondering if they're more likely to be targeted for prosecution.

 

[PR1Berske]

it isn't meant to be innuendo: I was wondering if they're more likely to be targeted for prosecution.

Ah, sorry, forgive me, I read your post from another perspective. Doing overtime, I'm really very tired haha

 

[Serge Forward]

Anyone publicly on the left is more likely to end up before the beak. If you're black and on the left, more so. That said, I'm not defending what Webbe was found guilty of (and is now appealing). If true, it's fucking nasty.

 

[PR1Berske]

Sentencing is today.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[TopCat]

Suspended sentence for a threatened acid attack. On the lenient end of the guidelines then.

 

[marty21]

Lucky for her , The Tories will keep this off the front pages.

 

[killer b]

I hadn't followed the case, and wondered what the acid attack threat consisted of - apparently it's the words 'you should be acid', which sounds like a real weird acid attack threat to me.

 

[skyscraper101]

'you should be acid' sounds like a banging rave track from around 1988/89

 

[PR1Berske]

As Webbe indicated her intention to appeal, the Recall procedure cannot kick in.

 

[tim]

Vaz still has a lot of clout. Pre-Webbe's court case the local Vazites were busy trying to undermine and oust her because she wasn't anointed by Vaz. Still, could be worse, the other Leicester MPs are Liz Kendall and Jon Ashworth. Something in the water indeed

Grenville Janner was a Leicester MP too.

 

[killer b]

Does a suspended sentence count for the recall?

 

[strung out]

Does a suspended sentence count for the recall?

Apparently, yes:

5.1 Representation of the People Act 1981 Under the Representation of the People Act 1981 (RPA 1981), anyone who is sentenced to more than a year in prison and has been imprisoned is disqualified from membership of the House of Commons. Existing Members’ seats are vacated, and no-one serving more than a year in prison can contest any election to the House of Commons.69 This includes someone who is unlawfully at large when they should be detained. The provisions of the 1981 Act only apply on imprisonment. A suspended sentence of more than one year would not lead to disqualification. However, suspended sentences do apply to the Recall of MPs Act 2015 and a recall petition would be initiated. A sitting MP found guilty of one or more offences and sentenced to more than a year, but on bail pending an appeal would not be disqualified. The disqualification only applies on being detained.

From here: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05089/SN05089.pdf

 

[TopCat]

But she hasn’t been sentenced to more than a year suspended or otherwise.

 

[killer b]

But she hasn’t been sentenced to more than a year suspended or otherwise.

over a year is automatic disqualification, any length of term triggers a recall petition.

 

[Pickman's model]

As Webbe indicated her intention to appeal, the Recall procedure cannot kick in.

pls quote your source

 

[PR1Berske]

pls quote your source

The post from David Boothroyd near the bottom of this thread is the only place I've seen it explicitly (I can't find reference to suspensed sentences in any Google searches in relation to the Act). :

https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/12728/leicester-east?page=6

 

[strung out]

pls quote your source

See post 44: "A sitting MP found guilty of one or more offences and sentenced to more than a year, but on bail pending an appeal would not be disqualified."

 

[killer b]

The post from David Boothroyd near the bottom of this thread is the only place I've seen it explicitly (I can't find reference to suspensed sentences in any Google searches in relation to the Act). :

https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/12728/leicester-east?page=6

Apparently, yes:

5.1 Representation of the People Act 1981 Under the Representation of the People Act 1981 (RPA 1981), anyone who is sentenced to more than a year in prison and has been imprisoned is disqualified from membership of the House of Commons. Existing Members’ seats are vacated, and no-one serving more than a year in prison can contest any election to the House of Commons.69 This includes someone who is unlawfully at large when they should be detained. The provisions of the 1981 Act only apply on imprisonment. A suspended sentence of more than one year would not lead to disqualification. However, suspended sentences do apply to the Recall of MPs Act 2015 and a recall petition would be initiated. A sitting MP found guilty of one or more offences and sentenced to more than a year, but on bail pending an appeal would not be disqualified. The disqualification only applies on being detained.

From here: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05089/SN05089.pdf

 

[killer b]

Hm I guess that only refers to disqualification

 

[PR1Berske]

Does a suspended sentence count for the recall?

After the back and forth of the last few days, don't be surprised if the Recall rules are written "just so"

 

[Pickman's model]

See post 44: "A sitting MP found guilty of one or more offences and sentenced to more than a year, but on bail pending an appeal would not be disqualified."

I see nothing about appeal postponing recall ballot there

 

[belboid]

MPs can be recalled only under certain circumstances:

• If they are convicted in the UK of an offence and sentenced or ordered to be imprisoned or detained and all appeals have been exhausted (and the sentence does not lead to automatic disqualification from being an MP);

Recall elections - House of Commons Library

This briefing outlines the system of recall of MPs in the UK

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

 

[PR1Berske]

No recall petition has been launched, looks like that can only start after the conclusion of the appeal.

 

[TopCat]

Drag it out and keep the income and expenses. Should turn up to Parliament, be with the other crooks.

 

[PR1Berske]

Appeal to be heard next March

Claudia Webbe: MP's conviction appeal to be heard next year

Leicester East MP Claudia Webbe begins her bid to overturn her harassment conviction and sentence.

www.bbc.com

 

[TopCat]

Appeal to be heard next March

Claudia Webbe: MP's conviction appeal to be heard next year

Leicester East MP Claudia Webbe begins her bid to overturn her harassment conviction and sentence.

www.bbc.com

I just can’t imagine what the grounds for appeal would be. The trial seemed sound and the defendant’s own words were definitive.

Will it just be “don’t you know who I am?” or will she go for a Prince Andrew style attack the witness for low morals (as if that will help).

I just can’t see any grounds.

 

[Pickman's model]

I just can’t imagine what the grounds for appeal would be. The trial seemed sound and the defendant’s own words were definitive.

Will it just be “don’t you know who I am?” or will she go for a Prince Andrew style attack the witness for low morals (as if that will help).

I just can’t see any grounds.

desperation

 

[kebabking]

just can’t imagine what the grounds for appeal would be. The trial seemed sound and the defendant’s own words were definitive.

Will it just be “don’t you know who I am?” or will she go for a Prince Andrew style attack the witness for low morals (as if that will help).

I just can’t see any grounds.

£80k a year + pension acrual. No one else is ever going to employ her on 80k, so it's about trousering as much cash as she can for as long as she can - every month she can drag it out is a wedge off her mortgage.

She is also, obviously, an absolute moon-howler, so she probably thinks she's innocent, but its also about the practicalities.