Laurence Fox. The twat.

[treelover]

1. Two growing and increasingly vile irrelevant groups are engaged in a pointless ‘culture war’ - , emptied out of politics, agency and meaning’ but increasingly pulling others into its orbit.
2. On one side are the liberal left. Small in actual number, but heavily over represented in the media, academia etc with a politics barfed up/synthesised from the decline of organised labour and the ideological collapse on the left which has accompanied economic liberalisation.
3. On the other side are the alt right barfed up from a similar class milieu. A rag bag of localists, libertarians, paleoconservatives, right-wing populists, secular conservatives, and white nationalists specifically intent on engaging the above category.
4. Fox is an important new embodiment of the above category. A human face. Posh. Recognisable. Charismatic. A gathering presence.

Both sides militate against serious political organisation, or any real confrontation with the powerful forces that actually dominate our society. Both sides insistence on mediating/controlling language etc is fundamentally disabling.

Good job groups like Acorn are growing

 

[treelover]

It's sort of like a liberal. Someone who would never use the n word but would disrupt a scally marrying their daughter. Plus dreadlocks, yoga, and insincere anti capitalism. See referendum 2016.

go into any trendy liberal cafe with a notice board, in Sheff, its the Blue Moon, and count how many adverts for tenants say NO DSS>.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Everyone looking forward to not knowing who Laurence Fox is again

The nation is awash with excitement at the prospect of forgetting all about Laurence Fox.

newsthump.com

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Dunno, but his other band Beak> are pretty good, do you dig them?

Listening to ">>>" now, after hearing them played on Cillian Murphy's show on 6Music at the weekend. Get a thumbs up from me

 

[Jeff Robinson]

 

[8ball]

This is brilliant.

 

[isvicthere?]

I'm not even sure what he's going on about there. Is it that there wouldn't really have been a Sikh soldier doing what they were doing in the film, and he's saying they had some kind of quota to meet?

Yes, that's exactly his (historically illiterate) point.

 

[Azrael]

[...] Possibly the greatest effect of his latest idiocy is that more people now know about the Sikhs who fought in WW1.

I hope so!

Speaking of which, kicking off about Sikh soldiers is moronic even on his own sordid terms. Not only has the Mail printed an article denouncing him and vigorously defending the Sikhs' war service, but the slippery alt-lite cite the Sikh people as their go-to example of an acceptable immigrant community. The only people cheering him on will be the most repulsive corners of the "ethno-nationalist" swamp. For form's sake I'll assume that's not what he wanted, but tough, he's stuck with it.

 

[krtek a houby]

go into any trendy liberal cafe with a notice board, in Sheff, its the Blue Moon, and count how many adverts for tenants say NO DSS>.

What is a "trendy liberal cafe", just out of curiosity?

 

[editor]

go into any trendy liberal cafe with a notice board, in Sheff, its the Blue Moon, and count how many adverts for tenants say NO DSS>.

Could you post up a picture of some of these notice boards in 'trendy liberal cafes' please so we can be awestruck by the proliferation of 'NO DSS' notices? Thanks.

 

[ginger_syn]

As someone on benefits who has looked for somewhere to rent the no dss is depressingly widespread, though i was once offered somewhere once if i would pay a bond and four months rent in advance, I didn't take it i found somewhere that only wanted 12 weeks rent in advance on top of the bond.

 

[scifisam]

As someone on benefits who has looked for somewhere to rent the no dss is depressingly widespread, though i was once offered somewhere once if i would pay a bond and four months rent in advance, I didn't take it i found somewhere that only wanted 12 weeks rent in advance on top of the bond.

It is extremely common and creates huge problems for anyone on benefits looking to rent a place, even if they're working. And the outdated phrase "no DSS" is still occasionally used as shorthand for not wanting people on benefits/universal credit if it's a sole landlord or something.

Hipster cafes, for want of a better word that more suits the current generation, are also a real thing - I live in east London, and there are tons of coffee shops and cafes where nearly every patron is under 40 (though the age is creeping up a bit) and has a certain look, uses their laptops to work on and coffee costs £3.50 a cup.

And they exist in every major city and can feel a little alienating if you don't fit with the people in there. Despite the fact that all the ones I know serve interpretations of the full English, you never see groups of builders loading up before they go to work, they go to normal greasy spoons.

But rooms or flats to let adverts are unlikely to be seen on physical noticeboards in those hipster cafes in 2020. The patrons of hipster cafes will be using the new-fangled internet to advertise their rooms or flats, same as everyone else does.

Some of the "hipster" types I've met own homes, but the majority of them are in shared houses or rented flats well into their thirties and aren't landlords, and are victims of property prices, not beneficiaries of it. So this imagined divide and rule thing between hipsters in their cafes and true lefties is unhelpful.

Treelover is posting from the 90s and I expect a reference to looking for properties in Loot to come up next.

Treelover go to the relevant ATOS thread and people there (inc me) will help you with your appeal. There are lots and lots of left-wing people trying to help others navigate the benefits system regardless of any other disagreements.

 

[maomao]

Could you post up a picture of some of these notice boards in 'trendy liberal cafes' please so we can be awestruck by the proliferation of 'NO DSS' notices? Thanks.

The Blue Moon café doesn't look that hipstery to me. There is a noticeboard but I can't see how many of the ads say NO DSS.

 

[ginger_syn]

It is extremely common and creates huge problems for anyone on benefits looking to rent a place, even if they're working. And the outdated phrase "no DSS" is still occasionally used as shorthand for not wanting people on benefits/universal credit if it's a sole landlord or something.

Hipster cafes, for want of a better word that more suits the current generation, are also a real thing - I live in east London, and there are tons of coffee shops and cafes where nearly every patron is under 40 (though the age is creeping up a bit) and has a certain look, uses their laptops to work on and coffee costs £3.50 a cup.

And they exist in every major city and can feel a little alienating if you don't fit with the people in there. Despite the fact that all the ones I know serve interpretations of the full English, you never see groups of builders loading up before they go to work, they go to normal greasy spoons.

But rooms or flats to let adverts are unlikely to be seen on physical noticeboards in those hipster cafes in 2020. The patrons of hipster cafes will be using the new-fangled internet to advertise their rooms or flats, same as everyone else does.

Some of the "hipster" types I've met own homes, but the majority of them are in shared houses or rented flats well into their thirties and aren't landlords, and are victims of property prices, not beneficiaries of it. So this imagined divide and rule thing between hipsters in their cafes and true lefties is unhelpful.

Treelover is posting from the 90s and I expect a reference to looking for properties in Loot to come up next.

Treelover go to the relevant ATOS thread and people there (inc me) will help you with your appeal. There are lots and lots of left-wing people trying to help others navigate the benefits system regardless of any other disagreements.

Yes I know hipster cafe are real, ive seen some, in london no less, can't say I'm comfortable with the slighty patronising tone of your response but i do appreciate the time you took to type it

 

[scifisam]

Yes I know hipster cafe are real, ive seen some, in london no less, can't say I'm comfortable with the slighty patronising tone of your response but i do appreciate the time you took to type it

WTF? A too long post I admit, we all do it now and then, but patronising? Fuck off.

 

[two sheds]

I'm waiting for Fox to complain next that Schindler's List has Jewish actors in it.

 

[Santino]

Yes I know hipster cafe are real, ive seen some, in london no less, can't say I'm comfortable with the slighty patronising tone of your response but i do appreciate the time you took to type it

Patronising is when you talk down to someone.

 

[Pickman's model]

go into any trendy liberal cafe with a notice board, in Sheff, its the Blue Moon, and count how many adverts for tenants say NO DSS>.

how many is it in the blue moon?

 

[Pickman's model]

Patronising is when you talk down to someone.

one day you'll manage to post an actual opinion

 

[Shirl]

The Blue Moon café doesn't look that hipstery to me. There is a noticeboard but I can't see how many of the ads say NO DSS.

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I don't know much about hipsters but that cafe looks more like our local community centre than anything else.

 

[8ball]

The Blue Moon café doesn't look that hipstery to me.

There's something very 'primary school' about it.

 

[editor]

I don't know much about hipsters but that cafe looks more like our local community centre than anything else.

Indeed it does. It looks nothing like any hipster cafe I've ever seen. Perhaps he doesn't understand what they actually are?

 

[8ball]

Indeed it does. It looks nothing like any hipster cafe I've ever seen. Perhaps he doesn't understand what they actually are?

There's a lot of white, and it's not possible to see the ceiling (ceilings are a good indicator).
Unless there is a fixie, a unicycle, a 1940s TV set and a gramophone glued to the ceiling, I'm going to stick my neck out and say "not hipster".

It might be trendy and liberal tbf.

 

[editor]

There's a lot of white, and it's not possible to see the ceiling (ceilings are a good indicator).
Unless there is a fixie, a unicycle, a 1940s TV set and a gramophone glued to the ceiling, I'm going to stick my neck out and say "not hipster".

It might be trendy and liberal tbf.

Here's a close up of that 'damning' noticeboard. Can't see a single 'NO DSS' notice. Love the clocks, mind.

The place has had the same owners for 19 years and with this review saying, If you enjoy old fashioned tea rooms but don’t care much for fuss, Blue Moon is well worth a visit." It's really not hipster at all, just a nice looking community cafe.

Blue Moon Cafe → Our Favourite Places – Sheffield Culture Guide

NOW CLOSED. A staple of Sheffield’s vegetarian and vegan landscape for over nineteen years, located in a beautiful old auction hall beside Sheffield Cathedral.

www.ourfaveplaces.co.uk

 

[8ball]

Here's a close up of that 'damning' noticeboard. Can't see a single 'NO DSS' notice. Love the clocks, mind.

Ah yeah, those clocks are cool. Couldn't see a case of any rooms for rent at all, regardless of DSS or otherwise.

 

[andysays]

I for one am shocked that another of treelover's whines appears to be based on complete nonsense.

Shocked, I tell you...

 

[treelover]

Indeed it does. It looks nothing like any hipster cafe I've ever seen. Perhaps he doesn't understand what they actually are?

I never said it was a hipster cafe, i said in the lexicon of my age, trendy, used by ER, social workers, teachers, community workers, vegans, but

interesting to see how quick some people on here are to deny others experiences, though not all of course. i have seen many many over the years due to my circumstances.

 

[ginger_syn]

WTF? A too long post I admit, we all do it now and then, but patronising? Fuck off.

Slightly patronising i said, calm down.

 

[editor]

I never said it was a hipster cafe, i said in the lexicon of my age, trendy, used by ER, social workers, teachers, community workers, vegans, but

interesting to see how quick some people on here are to deny others experiences, though not all of course. i have seen many many over the years due to my circumstances.

It's a community cafe that's been going for two decades. The customers in the photo are hardly 'trendy' - just normal people of all ages.

So where are all these 'NO DSS' notices?

 

[8ball]

Slightly patronising i said, calm down.

Ok, everyone don their safety gear...