Laurence Fox. The twat.

[Treacle Toes]

The ones that say that Harry and Meghan ducking out of their Royal duties is "all about racism". The ones that say newspapers filing their pages with crap about Megahns baby bump is all about racism. The ones that say that tabloids printing stuff about Mr Markle dissing his daughter is all about racism. all that crap , its all over the internet and that lady spouting on QT and others on breakfast telly.

Yet no one has said that have they? QUOTE THEM. Not one person I have seen has said that all of the disproportionately negative press about MM is because of racism. Lots of people have highlighted that some of the nonsense about her has racist undertones and racist connotations. Which is 100% true/real/undeniable.

I am guessing that you don't experience much of that yourself. Happy to be corrected.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Is this the McCarthy witch hunt of our time?

* ponders for a second *

Er no.

No it's not.

 

[treelover]

QT was quite measured this week

 

[Treacle Toes]

Gotta love the bastardised use of 'mccarthyism' too. Another right wing appropriation and redefinition going on there.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

So you’re say saying that you don’t think there’s a racist element to any of that?

I don't think theres a racist element to Mr Markle badmouthing his daughter , no, and i don't think you could realistically expect the tabloids not to report what he says.

I don't think the tabloids filling their papers with stuff about Meghan bump was racist no I think its just the sort of crap they write all the time about celebs.

I think the right wing press are now anti meghan because she has decamped to canada , but that because they are pro royal and it hurts their national pride not because they are racist. But sure theres a fair few racists read the `daily Mail .

 

[Orang Utan]

lol

 

[Treacle Toes]

But sure theres a fair few racists read the `daily Mail .

How many of those people actually would describe themselves as racist do you think?

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Oh hi lozza!


Seriously get in the bin.

In a week where QT admitted selecting a pro tory audience, and that 'lady' an academic WOC with a name that you can't bring yourself to use. 'Burn the Witch' ! Controversialist? You mean latest RentAGob, ignorant, and not doing as well as he'd like so goes the 'shock for money' route.

I knew I should have stopped reading at 'PC brigade'.

I don't know her name. Is she famous? She is a WOC? So is Pritti Patel who i have heard of, and she says no racism in the press too.

The QT lady is an academic , whose specialist subject is racism. She would be out of a job if racism didn't exist. so of course she will see racism in everything even when it isn't there.

Sadly racism does exist , so lets focus on that and kick out the real racists , not worry about what people say about meghans bump.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Yep that's it. People invent racism to keep themselves in jobs, nothing to do with them actually knowing more about it...they create it by seeing it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Sadly racism does exist , so lets focus on that and kick out the real racists , not worry about what people say about meghans bump

Who shall we kick out then? Who are the real racists? Share your authority on this subject please. Meghan's bump, you mean her son? A child? A real person?

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Yep that's it. People invent racism to keep themselves in jobs, nothing to do with them actually knowing more about it...they create it by seeing it.

She mentioned the colour of Fox's skin. nobody mentions the colour of meghan skin except in a positive way. so how is it acceptable to mention Fox's skin colour in a derogatory way? Or jeremy Irons described as old and white and reactionary? its just race baiting and doesn't really help race relations at all.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Who shall we kick out then? Who are the real racists? Share your authority on this subject please. Meghan's bump, you mean her son? A child? A real person?

There are internet trolls who have said offensive things about Meghan marrying harry and that type of thing.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Mentioning the colour of someone's skin isn't always racism. It's a descriptor, we all see it, there is nothing wrong with highlighting it as part of a description. She highlighted that a White man, with privilege and no experiences of racism is not in a position to speak with knowledge and therefore sound judgement about what is and isn't experienced as racism. She is 100% correct. He has his perspective, but there is much more to it. If it's derogatory/wrong to point that out it means that nobody ever can challenge anything said by someone who is ignorant/less experienced on any subject.

I could wittle on about maths now if you like...I have little knowledge but if you tell me I am wrong and why because you have more understanding I can claim you are being derogatory and inventing stuff right?

 

[LeytonCatLady]

How many of those people actually would describe themselves as racist do you think?

And the ones that admit to being racist will say it's someone else's fault, usually the person their racism is aimed at, ie "It's people like so-and-so who make me a racist".

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Mentioning the colour of someone's skin isn't always racism. It's a descriptor, we all see it, there is nothing wrong with highlighting it as part of a description. She highlighted that a White man, with privilege and no experiences of racism is not in a position to speak with knowledge and therefore sound judgement about what is and isn't experienced as racism. She is 100% correct. He has his perspective, but there is much more to it. If it's derogatory/wrong to point that out it means that nobody ever can challenge anything said by someone who is ignorant/less experienced on any subject

Yeah, that. She never said a white person can't have problems or that it makes him a bad person, or he can't have an opinion. Just that him not experiencing or not being aware of racism in the UK doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and that his experiences of racism as a white upper-class Englishman can't compare to that of a mixed-race American woman, so therefore his opinion may well be biased.

I have a relative who thinks the concept of white privilege is "supremacist" but he's the same guy who will hear of a crime committed by a black person and then say "Was he black? I KNEW IT!" Yep, thanks, perfect example of privilege right there. If a white person did something wrong or was suspected of a crime, then yes, our colour would come up in the course of the police investigation when interviewing victims or witnesses. However, nobody's going to say it's BECAUSE we're white, or use that as an excuse to discriminate against every white person ever.

 

[chilango]

Is this the McCarthy witch hunt of our time?

No.

 

[scifisam]

I don't think theres a racist element to Mr Markle badmouthing his daughter , no, and i don't think you could realistically expect the tabloids not to report what he says.

I don't think the tabloids filling their papers with stuff about Meghan bump was racist no I think its just the sort of crap they write all the time about celebs.

I think the right wing press are now anti meghan because she has decamped to canada , but that because they are pro royal and it hurts their national pride not because they are racist. But sure theres a fair few racists read the `daily Mail .

You think the press have gone anti-Meghan because she's leaving the country? How the fuck can you get it so completely backwards?

Try reading the rest of this thread. There's a very interesting link on here somewhere that I can't find right now, comparing the way the press headlines were completely different for meghan and Kate when they were doing the exact same thing. For example, meghan got criticised for putting her hand on her pregnant belly, and Kate got praised for it. The difference is striking. It's not just the usual tabloid crap - it's got vile, and the papers that have been the worst are the ones with a history of racism. That's not a coincidence.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Oh my god.


I wish there was some point to this, some ground to be won, some way that the effort put into this kind of debate made any kind of headway.

Billy Connolly says that he's got to the point where he can't be arsed anymore to give this kind of shit the time of day.

Either Peter Chadwick is trolling (in which case why waste the time on this bullshit) or he's an entrenched fool (in which case why waste time on this bullshit).


I might feel less thwarted next week but right now, fuck this shit.







As an aside, Peter Chadwick IRL is a nasty piece of work. Odd choice of username imo.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

You think the press have gone anti-Meghan because she's leaving the country?

she's just a bit uppity
what other racially charged words could we use...swarthy?

 

[Treacle Toes]

As an aside, Peter Chadwick IRL is a nasty piece of work. Odd choice of username imo.

This one?

Peter Chadwick: Millionaire arrested over wife's murder

British-born millionaire Peter Chadwick is captured in Mexico after spending four years on the run.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[kenny g]

Look at who is missing from the thread to work out who PC most likely is.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Mentioning the colour of someone's skin isn't always racism. It's a descriptor, we all see it, there is nothing wrong with highlighting it as part of a description. She highlighted that a White man, with privilege and no experiences of racism is not in a position to speak with knowledge and therefore sound judgement about what is and isn't experienced as racism. She is 100% correct. He has his perspective, but there is much more to it. If it's derogatory/wrong to point that out it means that nobody ever can challenge anything said by someone who is ignorant/less experienced on any subject.

I could wittle on about maths now if you like...I have little knowledge but if you tell me I am wrong and why because you have more understanding I can claim you are being derogatory and inventing stuff right?

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

 

[chilango]

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

Except you can't.

 

[Proper Tidy]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

I don't buy into the idea racism is only racism when it's from the dominant down, nonetheless if you can't see there is a significant difference between the former and the latter in this scenario then you're an idiot

 

[Orang Utan]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

Shrub rocketeer

 

[LeytonCatLady]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Yeah, because that's exactly what Rutita1 said.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

You totally miss the point, whether wilfully or not I can't say. I've not done an analysis of MM's press treatment, but I would trust those who have and would not be surprised by it turning out to fit an all too familiar pattern. It would not be the first time that this kind of bias has appeared in the UK press. There are patterns there, if you look for them: eg Britain's Linford Christie wins gold, Jamaica-born Linford Christie fails a drug test. Once you start looking for the pattern, you see it all too easily. If you're not looking for it, you can miss it.

Take a step back, perhaps show a little humility, and consider the possibility that you're missing something here that others have picked up on.

 

[oryx]

You totally miss the point, whether wilfully or not I can't say. I've not done an analysis of MM's press treatment, but I would trust those who have and would not be surprised by it turning out to fit an all too familiar pattern. It would not be the first time that this kind of bias has appeared in the UK press. There are patterns there, if you look for them: eg Britain's Linford Christie wins gold, Jamaica-born Linford Christie fails a drug test. Once you start looking for the pattern, you see it all too easily. If you're not looking for it, you can miss it.

Take a step back, perhaps show a little humility, and consider the possibility that you're missing something here that others have picked up on.

Raheem Sterling is another one who has identified differing treatment by the media on racial grounds.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Raheem Sterling is another one who has identified differing treatment by the media on racial grounds.

It's an all too familiar, persistent, and depressing pattern. Anyone who denies it is there is simply wrong.