Laurence Fox. The twat.

[ginger_syn]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

Petulance undermines any point you make, you sound like an aggrieved 12 year old.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Raheem Sterling is another one who has identified differing treatment by the media on racial grounds.

Ok let me unwind this . I dont read the tabloids.. they are intrusive, trashy and judgemental. But that's what tabloids do, and people read that stuff. Its a free world.

But I do recall all sorts of negative stuff about diana, Sarah ferguson and Kate Middleton. sarah ferguson was fat shamed, class shamed, slut shamed and ginger shamed, people making fun of her freckles etc. She was also married to andrew, poor lady. Kate Middleton was thin shamed and topless photos of her sunbathing privately were printed in a magazine. . By comparison not only can I not recall seeing any negative comments about her skin colour in the mainstream media bu I cant ever recall seeing any negative press about MM's physical appearance certainly not on the scale of the others. If the narrative had been "this is all about sexism" rather than "this is all about racsim" I would have found those arguments more credible.

Up until two weeks ago I was not aware of any unfair treatment of MM in the press or by the public generally. Taking legal action against the press may not be the best way to endear yourself to those who believe in a free press which i think most journos do. The criticism of her more recently from the press is intemperate and unhelpful. But i do believe the recent criticism is mostly because public perception, rightly or wrongly , of MM has changed dramatically because of the decision to step down and move to Canada , which is seen by some as disloyal and wanting to have the cake and eat it.




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[Peter Chadwick]

I don't buy into the idea racism is only racism when it's from the dominant down, nonetheless if you can't see there is a significant difference between the former and the latter in this scenario then you're an idiot

I think there is a difference and i entirely get that "white privilege", to the extent that it still exists, could make me complacent. My objection to the QT clip was that LF (possibly unsually for him ) was making some valid points to which the questioners ONLY riposte was that he was a white privileged male. That just came across that whatever he had said should be considered irrelevant because he is white.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not listening, are you?

 

[scifisam]

Ok let me unwind this . I dont read the tabloids.. they are intrusive, trashy and judgemental. But that's what tabloids do, and people read that stuff. Its a free world.

But I do recall all sorts of negative stuff about diana, Sarah ferguson and Kate Middleton. sarah ferguson was fat shamed, class shamed, slut shamed and ginger shamed, people making fun of her freckles etc. She was also married to andrew, poor lady. Kate Middleton was thin shamed and topless photos of her sunbathing privately were printed in a magazine. . By comparison not only can I not recall seeing any negative comments about her skin colour in the mainstream media bu I cant ever recall seeing any negative press about MM's physical appearance certainly not on the scale of the others. If the narrative had been "this is all about sexism" rather than "this is all about racsim" I would have found those arguments more credible.

Up until two weeks ago I was not aware of any unfair treatment of MM in the press or by the public generally. Taking legal action against the press may not be the best way to endear yourself to those who believe in a free press which i think most journos do. The criticism of her more recently from the press is intemperate and unhelpful. But i do believe the recent criticism is mostly because public perception, rightly or wrongly , of MM has changed dramatically because of the decision to step down and move to Canada , which is seen by some as disloyal and wanting to have the cake and eat it.




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Do you have some sort of word blindness? Nobody has said that all of the press reaction to Markle is driven by racism. The media always like to set one Royal against another. But the way the criticism has been phrased is often subtly based on race (though I am still sure that some of it is driven by the international market responding to their dogwhistles online, not just paper sales in the UK). Of course nobody's going to mention her actual skin colour - that's not the only way racism shows up.

And they should be able to take action against the press when they do something that goes too far. The royals have several times, actually. You know who else has done exactly that in recent years, sued a newspaper? William and Kate, due to the invasive photos. Yet the press remains as free as it ever was. Why is it OK for them to sue the press, in your POV, and not this couple?

 

[two sheds]

I think there is a difference and i entirely get that "white privilege", to the extent that it still exists, could make me complacent. My objection to the QT clip was that LF (possibly unsually for him ) was making some valid points to which the questioners ONLY riposte was that he was a white privileged male. That just came across that whatever he had said should be considered irrelevant because he is white.

How do you feel about Windrush?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think there is a difference and i entirely get that "white privilege", to the extent that it still exists, could make me complacent. My objection to the QT clip was that LF (possibly unsually for him ) was making some valid points to which the questioners ONLY riposte was that he was a white privileged male. That just came across that whatever he had said should be considered irrelevant because he is white.

Have we seen the same clip? He was banging on about how wonderfully unracist the UK was, without any sense that there might, just possibly, be people better qualified to make that judgement than him, that this might be an instance in which he ought to be listening more than telling. The lack of awareness, including self-awareness, in this and pretty much everything else I've seen of him is staggering. He appears to be an ultra-narcissist.

 

[Treacle Toes]

So no one can ever say anything negative about Meghan because she is of mixed race and it would be offensive and be racist. And no white person can ever say anything about the subject because they don't understand what racism is.

Just play that back with the colours reversed and see how that would seem and rightly so.

This a great example of why the perspective of some people is limited and doesn't have much to offer a discussion like this. You aren't interested in learning or understanding. You are here to moan about things that haven't been said and aren't true. Crack on.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

So tired of this sort of thing now. Does anyone want to continue arguing at this poster?

 

[two sheds]

Yeh not exactly arguing in good faith.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Fuck it, I vote for the ban hammer. If I wanted to hear from an arse hole I wiuld have farted.

 

[Shechemite]

Gotta love the bastardised use of 'mccarthyism' too. Another right wing appropriation and redefinition going on there.

Hopefully this means not using McCarthy-like tactics too?

 

[Marty1]

‘[Wokeists] are everything they accuse you of’



Just watched this relatively short video of this bloke being interviewed on Talk Radio and have got to say he doesn’t appear to live up to the hype some of the comments on this thread prescribe to him.

 

[Peter Chadwick]

Do you have some sort of word blindness? Nobody has said that all of the press reaction to Markle is driven by racism. The media always like to set one Royal against another. But the way the criticism has been phrased is often subtly based on race (though I am still sure that some of it is driven by the international market responding to their dogwhistles online, not just paper sales in the UK). Of course nobody's going to mention her actual skin colour - that's not the only way racism shows up.

And they should be able to take action against the press when they do something that goes too far. The royals have several times, actually. You know who else has done exactly that in recent years, sued a newspaper? William and Kate, due to the invasive photos. Yet the press remains as free as it ever was. Why is it OK for them to sue the press, in your POV, and not this couple?

Not word blindness no. Not deaf either.. the QT questioner said Meghan chose to marry Harry... Then the press tore her to pieces .. lets be clear .. this is racism.

There is nothing balanced at all in anything that she said. It isn't true that the press tore her to pieces when she married Harry , quite the opposite I would say they seemed to be fawning over her. No other reason considered for any negative comments about Meghan , only racism being offered as the reason. Pretty cynical comments from her I think.

i think there is a big difference between suing a magazine over publishing topless photos on a priavate beach and suing a newspaper cos you don't like the nasty things your Dad is saying about you. not saying either are wrong to sue , the court will decide on the merits of the case. but it doesn't seem a strategy that would be likely to endear you to the press.

 

[krtek a houby]

 

[Sweet FA]

Thread this morning.

 

[treelover]

Culture wars are us.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Shocked to learn marty has sympathy for this twat.

 

[Serge Forward]

Who woulda thunk it?!?

 

[brogdale]

‘[Wokeists] are everything they accuse you of’



Just watched this relatively short video of this bloke being interviewed on Talk Radio and have got to say he doesn’t appear to live up to the hype some of the comments on this thread prescribe to him.

Comes across as a massive cunt, don't you think?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Comes across as a massive cunt, don't you think?

"the British people... are tired of being called racist by the people that we pay money for and support"

 

[brogdale]

"the British people... are tired of being called racist by the people that we pay money for and support"

Exhibit A.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Exhibit A.

It was a struggle even getting that far after hearing him say "wokeist".

I did make myself watch a bit further on afterwards and it is just by-the-numbers stuff though - two media twats slapping each other on the back about how they're definitely not racist and racism is the fault of people who talk about it, throwing out buzzwords they have no idea of the meaning of. If either of them actually know what "intersectional" means I'll eat my phone.

 

[SpineyNorman]

It was a struggle even getting that far after hearing him say "wokeist".

I did make myself watch a bit further on afterwards and it is just by-the-numbers stuff though - two media twats slapping each other on the back about how they're definitely not racist and racism is the fault of people who talk about it, throwing out buzzwords they have no idea of the meaning of. If either of them actually know what "intersectional" means I'll eat my phone.

Anyone who uses the term woke or any variant either by way of self identity or as a term of abuse should be shot. Reminds me of the consipiraloon thing about wake up sheeple.

Maybe we could find a compromise between pro fox hunting types and decent people if they promised only to hunt this particular fox? He's probably related to most of them though.

I made it a few minutes into that video and they made it to the 'rich posh boys are oppressed for being posh' bit. At that point I had seen enough.

 

[SpineyNorman]

'if you're white and posh you can't say anything about anything'

Yet there he is, saying it on question time. Then saying it again on all these talk shows. Then no doubt saying it every week in the daily mail column he's clearly shooting for.

The poor little snowflake.

 

[editor]

‘[Wokeists] are everything they accuse you of’



Just watched this relatively short video of this bloke being interviewed on Talk Radio and have got to say he doesn’t appear to live up to the hype some of the comments on this thread prescribe to him.

He's a fucking racist cunt. And you seem to fully support him and what he represents.

 

[xenon]

'if you're white and posh you can't say anything about anything'

Yet there he is, saying it on question time. Then saying it again on all these talk shows. Then no doubt saying it every week in the daily mail column he's clearly shooting for.

The poor little snowflake.

Unfucking-believeable isn't it. The host literally says to him. you're white, middle class, you can't say anything... You're on national fucking radio, you self regarding bloviating wankers!

 

[brogdale]

It was a struggle even getting that far after hearing him say "wokeist".

I did make myself watch a bit further on afterwards and it is just by-the-numbers stuff though - two media twats slapping each other on the back about how they're definitely not racist and racism is the fault of people who talk about it, throwing out buzzwords they have no idea of the meaning of. If either of them actually know what "intersectional" means I'll eat my phone.

Struck me that his management people had told him to tone it down a bit, (for commercial reasons), and despite that he still came across as a grade A cunt.

 

[Marty1]

He's a fucking racist cunt. And you seem to fully support him and what he represents.

I certainly don’t support any racism whatsoever.

 

[brogdale]

I certainly don’t support any racism whatsoever.

kinda begs the question, what aspects of what the massive cunt said that you do support.