Laurence Fox. The twat.

[Pickman's model]

./

 

[MrSki]

From another racist.

 

[8ball]

Yep. But we've had decades of period-drama film-making in which black people didn't exist in Britain before about 1962. So racist morons like him get all confused and distracted when they start appearing.

Wasn't it (allegedly, according to him), about whether they would have been in the same regiment?
Anyway, it's a barking argument that it would have thrown him off his stride.

God knows how he'll manage next season as Widow Twanky.

 

[editor]

The 1917 comment, however, clears things up. It leaves us in no doubt as to whether or not he is indeed a stupid, hateful racist cunt.

Extremely stupid and ignorant

Approximately 1.3 million Indian soldiers served in World War One, and over 74,000 of them lost their lives.

It was Indian jawans (junior soldiers) who stopped the German advance at Ypres in the autumn of 1914, soon after the war broke out, while the British were still recruiting and training their own forces. Hundreds were killed in a gallant but futile engagement at Neuve Chappelle. More than 1,000 of them died at Gallipoli, thanks to Churchill's folly. Nearly 700,000 Indian sepoys (infantry privates) fought in Mesopotamia against the Ottoman Empire, Germany's ally, many of them Indian Muslims taking up arms against their co-religionists in defence of the British Empire.

Why the Indian soldiers of WW1 were forgotten

Only now are the sacrifices made by thousands of Indians who lost their lives in WW1 beginning to be remembered, writes Shashi Tharoor.

www.bbc.co.uk

"Sikhs singing religious chants in a ramshackle French barn, while away from the front-lines. Men of the Islamic, Hindu and Sikh faiths all fought for the British Empire in its war against the Kaiser. "

 

[Pickman's model]

From another racist.

he sounds half-cut there

 

[not-bono-ever]

he sounds half-cut there

tbf, most of his output was when he was ripped

 

[littlebabyjesus]

His privileged background (and his "white default" setting, which I think we all have) is likely to influence that, but it's not something to dismiss him instantly for.

Not sure I agree with that, but either way, the point here is that he is entirely unaware that he has such a thing, or probably that such a thing can exist.

 

[8ball]

Not sure I agree with that, but either way, the point here is that he is entirely unaware that he has such a thing, or probably that such a thing can exist.

Well, by "all" I'm kind of talking about people living in the UK whose family has been mostly in this country for a few generations*.
You certainly don't have to be white to have it.

*- barring exceptions I haven't thought of

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well, by "all" I'm kind of talking about people living in the UK whose family has been mostly in this country for a few generations*.
You certainly don't have to be white to have it.

*- barring exceptions I haven't thought of

I think it depends where you grew up and how old you are. I do think such a thing is a legacy of my upbringing, but I wouldn't confidently say that a white person a generation younger than me growing up in, say, South London would have it. From what evidence I've seen. Anyhoo, main point with this clown is that he has it but doesn't know he has it, which is part of what makes him a dangerous idiot.

 

[8ball]

I think it depends where you grew up and how old you are. I do think such a thing is a legacy of my upbringing, but I wouldn't confidently say that a white person a generation younger than me growing up in, say, South London would have it. From what evidence I've seen. Anyhoo, main point with this clown is that he has it but doesn't know he has it, which is part of what makes him a dangerous idiot.

I think there's something to that when it comes to very multicultural areas.
I'm from a mixed race family from a very 'white' rural area, and there is a strong sense that being white is... desirable, not 'aberrant', "normal" etc.
My Mum has always had a very strong sense that me and my sister should conform and not raise hackles and I think there is a link to her experiences of racism in previous decades, when a lot of things were a lot worse. It's kind of about keeping your head down.

 

[Hollis]

Sikh cavalry on the Somme 1916

 

[treelover]

You only have to dig superficially into his background to see dynastial nepotism across his family and stench of inherited privilege clearing his (and his family's) path.

An ancestor invented the boiler flu.

 

[treelover]

Interesting that this thread has and will take off much more than the 'Hostile environment for the disabled and sick' has in weeks.

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting that this threas has and will take off much more than the 'Hostile environment for the disabled and sick' has in weeks.

will you change the sodding record?

 

[8ball]

An ancestor invented the boiler flu.

My boiler caught that last winter and was in bed for a week. Thought I was going to freeze to death.

 

[8ball]

Interesting that this threas has and will take off much more than the 'Hostile environment for the disabled and sick' has in weeks.

Minus 150 virtue points for everyone except you.

 

[treelover]

60 posts in 13 hours suggest your personal opinion is out of step and some people do want to talk about this dollop of right wing shit. Anyway, you've made your point now. If the topic is of no interest to you, there is no need for you to post on this thread again.

see my last post, the culture wars, imported from the U.S are now clearly here, and much of the left are spending most of their time fighting them. I have just had the most appalling PIP interview, interogated like a criminal, shown no compassion whatsover, and likely to lose hundreds of pounds a month, and looking around for allies on the left, at next LP CLP i am going to ask the audience do they know where the Atos/Capita testing centres are, the name and presence strike horror in disabled and sick people, i expect most won't have a clue, yet these places and staff have dominion over the former's lives. The Hostile Environment for Disabled, etc, has already disappeared from the front page.

Forgive me if I don't see this individual as a key priority at the moment.

 

[scifisam]

I quite liked him on Lewis and he was funny on celebrity Gogglebox. But that 1917 comment is hilariously bad. I mean, we all share our uninformed opinions here, but I think if I were taking to an actual newspaper I'd make an effort to learn about the thing I was talking about. It's not even as if you have to look far, since many of the articles about 1917 have explained that yes, there were a lot of people from the Indian subcontinent in WWI.

And what a twisted usage of "institutional racism." I suspect he went for a role in the movie, didn't get it, and now feels like a victim.

 

[xenon]

Oh wait, he's off again. This was published one hour ago. What a fucking plum.

Laurence Fox hits out at 'racism' after Sikh soldier included in 1917

Actor Laurence Fox has hit out at the inclusion of a Sikh soldier in Oscar-nominated film 1917, calling it “institutionally racist”.

www.standard.co.uk

I don't know who this dozy bigoted prick is, the story has passed me by. But he's just making himself look stupid here as well. There were loads of Indian soldiers in the Great War. I knew this already but visiting the grave of my great grand father in Normandy last year. A relative read out a few other names on crosses, too. Some wer Indian sounding.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Wtf is a 'woke woman'? Seem to have missed the memo...

In this context it generally seems to mean 'any woman likely to object to me treating her like shit'.

/Mansplaining

 

[Pickman's model]

see my last post, the culture wars, imported from the U.S are now clearly here, and much of the left are spending most of their time fighting them. I have just had the most appalling PIP interview, interogated like a criminal, shown no compassion whatsover, and likely to lose hundreds of pounds a month, and looking around for allies on the left, at next LP CLP i am going to ask the audience do they know where the Atos/Capita testing centres are, the name and presence strike horror in disabled and sick people, i expect most won't have a clue, yet these places and staff have dominion over the former's lives. The Hostile Environment for Disabled, etc, has already disappeared from the front page.

Forgive me if I don't see this individual as a key priority at the moment.

forgive me for pointing out the obvious but the disabled and sick weren't doing really well under labour, see eg from 2002

WAKE UP, Blair to declare war on the disabled/the unemployed/single parents

i found this article on indymedia uk, and i agree with most of the posters sentiments, further, this is a bad time to be unemployed, disabled/single parent, council house tenants etc

sorry if its long,but it is important...


'wake up everyone, news plans by the Blairistas to launch even crueller attacks on the vulnerable, whar will activists wake up.

Ii,m afraid this article isn't as sexy as issues like the world bank, the zapitistas, genoa, etc but it is happening in your own backyard to some of the most vulnerable in our society.Since their election in 97, the govt has brought in increasingly harsh welfare rules, cutting benefits of the disabled, striking them off disability allowance, forcing single parents into poorly paid under-resourced schemes in a attempt to dicipline the workforce. it has been said that a society is judged by how it treats its most weakest, yet i am aware of DSS doctors forcing plps arms behing the back as to prove they have mobility in that arm. Yet, where are the marches against such infringements of civil liberty, actions against benefit cuts, , the articles on indymedia.I think is the same as the lack of interest in council house privitasations,(watch how many replies it gets) its not sexy enough for m/class activists. But, we ignore this issue at our peril, the BNP are certainly not ignoring such bread and butter issues,

maybe one should remember the old pastor niemoller warning: First they came for the communists, but i wasn't a communist...... '

comments welcome....

Blair plans welfare revamp

Blair to announce 'work-first' welfare shakeup

Nicholas Watt, political correspondent
Monday June 10, 2002
The Guardian

Tony Blair will today attempt to brush off a series of rows about spin which culminated in the resignation of the transport secretary, Stephen Byers, when he ventures into the highly contentious area of welfare reform.

Dismissing claims that the government has been blown off course by the rows, the prime minister will announce a big increase in the controversial Job Centre Plus system, where claimants are denied benefit if they refuse offers of work.

Staff at the centres, which combine the work of the old social security offices with job centres, recently staged a lengthy strike over their safety. The unions claimed it was highly irresponsible of management to remove protective windows to emphasise the positive side of seeking work.

But in a speech in London, Mr Blair will make clear that the government is determined to "roll out" the centres, which he will describe as an example of the government's "work-first approach" to benefits. The 56 existing centres are to be extended to a further 50 towns and cities, covering a quarter of the country, by next April.

Leftwing Labour MPs who have a strong track record on rebelling on welfare reform are likely to be alarmed by the move. But the government will hope that Mr Blair's high-profile announcement, on the day that MPs return to Westminster after the jubilee recess, will show that the government is determined to focus on key policy areas after the resignation of Mr Byers.

To illustrate the government's approach, Mr Blair will unveil a scheme designed to help lone parents and disabled people return to work. Such groups do not lose benefits if they refuse to work, but they are called back to the new centres on a much more regular basis for interviews if they remain unemployed.

The new scheme, "Ambition: Energy" is being run with the help of leading energy companies and aims to create 4,500 skilled jobs in the next three years. Big energy companies, including Centrica and the National Grid Group, have made clear to the government that they are particularly keen to hire single parents. They will help to fill 2,000 vacancies for gas central heating engineers, who can earn up to £25,000 a year, and 1,000 vacancies for gas fitters.

Mr Blair will host a reception in Downing Street tonight for four single mothers who have found jobs with British Gas as gas fitters after completing a training scheme at the North East London College, Hackney.

Andrew Smith, the work and pensions secretary, who will accompany the prime minister today, said: "In this government's first term we set down firm foundations for delivering a modern welfare state. Rights have been established, but responsibility, too. Now with the roll-out of the Job Centre Plus, we will introduce a work-first approach to benefits."

The chancellor, Gordon Brown, will underline the government's approach today when he announces a series of measures to improve Britain's productivity, regarded as one of the weakest areas of the economy.

In a speech to the Amicus trade union conference in Blackpool, Mr Brown will say that the main focus of his spending review next month will be to "sweep aside" barriers to increased productivity.

This will mean extra cash from the Treasury in July to improve the recruitment and retention of skilled scientists and engineers; to help schools teach about enterprise; and to improve the transport, hous ing and planning systems.

"Just as we have been winning the battle to increase employment and entrench stability, we must now win the productivity war," the chancellor will say.

The policy announcements follow a weekend "third way" seminar attended by the prime minister, the chancellor and the former US president, Bill Clinton.

Peter Mandelson, the former Northern Ireland secretary who organised the event at Hartwell House near Aylesbury, said the seminar showed that the centre left still dominated western politics.

"Events will challenge the government and the government will be tested by how it deals with them," he said. "But the main thing is that the government remains focused on its priorities."

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i agree
by dissilusioned... 9:06am Mon Jun 10 '02



totally agree with your sentiments, so many activist really havent got a clue about how one third of this country lives,i think it is one reason why so many w/class folk are suspicious of them. we should start to take on these issues or as you have said someone else will..

btw, the corporate Guardian article is too supportive of New Labour and does not give a true pictue as you have tried to do on what is happening, soviet union stylee to the vulnerable who cannot produce...

 

[two sheds]

I have just had the most appalling PIP interview, interogated like a criminal, shown no compassion whatsover, and likely to lose hundreds of pounds a month, and looking around for allies on the left,

you may be better stressing this above and asking for help rather than trying to make people feel ignorant/guilty with this:

at next LP CLP i am going to ask the audience do they know where the Atos/Capita testing centres are, the name and presence strike horror in disabled and sick people, i expect most won't have a clue, yet these places and staff have dominion over the former's lives.

good luck though

 

[treelover]

you may be better stressing this above and asking for help rather than trying to make people feel ignorant/guilty with this:



good luck though

the thing is, these centres should be known, and there should have been many responses by now.

anyway, won't add anymore.

 

[ginger_syn]

Wow shows how out of touch with celebrities I am, I just thought he was the posh bloke actor who was married to billie piper. Drat i liked lewis.

 

[Pickman's model]

the thing is, these centres should be known, and there should have been many responses by now.

anyway, won't add anymore.

these centres are known, easily found on the internet

 

[klang]

./

no need to point out that you are about to take a slash.

 

[8ball]

see my last post, the culture wars, imported from the U.S are now clearly here, and much of the left are spending most of their time fighting them. I have just had the most appalling PIP interview, interogated like a criminal, shown no compassion whatsover, and likely to lose hundreds of pounds a month, and looking around for allies on the left, at next LP CLP i am going to ask the audience do they know where the Atos/Capita testing centres are, the name and presence strike horror in disabled and sick people, i expect most won't have a clue, yet these places and staff have dominion over the former's lives. The Hostile Environment for Disabled, etc, has already disappeared from the front page.

Forgive me if I don't see this individual as a key priority at the moment.

<that was a "solidarity like" - not an "I like it that this has happened" >

And yes, millions of hours being wasted on bollocks culture wars.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Hold on - this guy is being boosted by the BBC and assorted papers, thrown in our face if we want to engage with any general media environment at all. It's a deliberate move. It's not the fault of people taking the piss out of him on Twitter that he's getting publicity.

 

[Proper Tidy]

His privileged background is... not something to dismiss him instantly for

I completely disagree with this viewpoint tbh

 

[Proper Tidy]

I have just had the most appalling PIP interview, interogated like a criminal, shown no compassion whatsover, and likely to lose hundreds of pounds a month, and looking around for allies on the left, at next LP CLP i am going to ask the audience do they know where the Atos/Capita testing centres are, the name and presence strike horror in disabled and sick people, i expect most won't have a clue, yet these places and staff have dominion over the former's lives. The Hostile Environment for Disabled, etc, has already disappeared from the front page.

Sorry to hear that mate