Laurence Fox. The twat.

[8ball]

Hold on - this guy is being boosted by the BBC and assorted papers, thrown in our face if we want to engage with any general media environment at all. Its a deliberate move. It's not the fault of people taking the piss out of him on Twitter that he's getting publicity.

It's a feedback loop between the two. Twitter spats make MSM copy, who then follow him around looking for more numptyism to get more Twitter spats started.

 

[8ball]

I completely disagree with this viewpoint tbh

Give me your financial details so I can look for someone much poorer than you, then I can check with them about the validity or otherwise of your viewpoint.

 

[editor]

Hold on - this guy is being boosted by the BBC and assorted papers, thrown in our face if we want to engage with any general media environment at all. It's a deliberate move. It's not the fault of people taking the piss out of him on Twitter that he's getting publicity.

Exactly. The talk and bantz on social media is not important: the fact that he's been actively promoted and given column inches by the mainstream media is, and that's what makes this a topic worth discussing.

 

[8ball]

Exactly. The talk and bantz on social media is not important: the fact that he's been actively promoted and given column inches by the mainstream media is, and that's what makes this is topic worth discussing.

That seems like a much wider 'why is the media so shit?' megathread.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's a feedback loop between the two. Twitter spats make MSM copy, who then follow him around looking for more numptyism to get more Twitter spats started.

The point is the blaming of people who are responding to this for him being publicised at all. What are you going to do? "BBC pushes racist" - you can ignore it, in which case they will keep pushing the racist because "he reflects the general mood"; you can take the piss, in which case they will keep pushing the racist because "he's controversial". They want to push the racist and they will do it whatever. We've seen this in endless other contexts.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Give me your financial details so I can look for someone much poorer than you, then I can check with them about the validity or otherwise of your viewpoint.

Wealth and class not really same thing though and posh people from public schools are socially blind. I'd listen to some posh lad about maths or something, they might know what they are talking about, but their social understanding nah

 

[editor]

That seems like a much wider 'why is the media so shit?' megathread.

No it's not. It's about asking why the mainstream press pushing this particular guy and his odious views. To me, it's a sign of how such racist viewpoints (and reinvention of the past a la Trump) are now becoming acceptable and this guy - because of his background, name and privilege - is seen as someone worth listening to.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I mean, christ, let us tell awful people that we can't help but see to fuck off.

 

[editor]

I mean, christ, let us tell awful people that we can't help but see to fuck off.

I have to say I found it odd how some people here were so quick to try and repeatedly close down all debate and discussion when Fox - and what he stands for - is clearly a discussion worth having - even if it's just to call him a cunt.

 

[Azrael]

Wasn't it (allegedly, according to him), about whether they would have been in the same regiment?
Anyway, it's a barking argument that it would have thrown him off his stride.

God knows how he'll manage next season as Widow Twanky.

Little interest in Milo 5.0, but plenty in India and her peoples. Besides officers, don't know of any colour-bar in British Army regiments in WWI (and the officers bar was itself broken), so a Sikh soldier could certainly have been serving in the trenches outside an Indian regiment. Haven't been able to find an example of a Sikh infantryman serving in a WWI home regiment (have looked before, would be grateful if anyone has one), but there's examples from WW2 -- famously Mohinder Singh Pujji, R.A.F. fighter pilot awarded the DFC -- so if Fox has a sincere concern for historical accuracy*, he can chill.

* stop howling at the back!

 

[8ball]

Wealth and class not really same thing though and posh people from public schools are socially blind. I'd listen to some posh lad about maths or something, they might know what they are talking about, but their social understanding nah

That's not really my experience. As an overall trend that leads to stereotypes it has enough examples to keep it going, but I've met very aware types from public schools and the converse. If you think signifiers such as class/race/etc. are enough to make instant judgments about people, I guess that's your lookout (not that you chose anything other than class in this example).

 

[8ball]

I have to say I found it odd how some people here were so quick to try and repeatedly close down all debate and discussion when Fox - and what he stands for - is clearly a discussion worth having - even if it's just to call him a cunt.

Calling him a cunt isn't a discussion of anything. Have a hate thread if you like, though (he does seem pretty cunty tbf).

 

[MrSki]

No it's not. It's about asking why the mainstream press pushing this particular guy and his odious views. To me, it's a sign of how such racist viewpoints (and reinvention of the past a la Trump) are now becoming acceptable and this guy - because of his background, name and privilege - is seen as someone worth listening to.

Just seen it advertised that he is on with Piers (Cuntchops) Morgan on GMB in the morning so he is certainly seen as hot property in the media since last Thursday's QT appearance.

 

[8ball]

Just seen it advertised that he is on with Piers (Cuntchops) Morgan on GMB in the morning so he is certainly seen as hot property in the media since last Thursday's QT appearance.

Round and round it goes.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

There is no "round and round", it's a straight line. Racist goes on QT then goes on GMB.

 

[two sheds]

settle on a straight line with a positive feedback loop?

 

[Proper Tidy]

signifiers such as class/race/etc

One of these is not like the other

 

[8ball]

settle on a straight line with a positive feedback loop?

 

[8ball]

One of these is not like the other

Incredibly so!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

settle on a straight line with a positive feedback loop?

no

 

[two sheds]

I suppose round and round with a straight line positive feedback loop is out of the question

 

[FridgeMagnet]

"it's your fault that this racist cunt is being thrown in your face, because you reacted when he was thrown in your face"

 

[souljacker]

I don't understand how the standout thing he got from the critically acclaimed, Oscar nominated, gritty WW1 movie 1917, is that there was a Sikh lad in it.

 

[maomao]

'let's not give him the oxygen of publicity'

He already has the oxygen of publicity. Let's try just not giving him oxygen.

 

[maomao]

It's like when people tell you not to react to Clarkson and Hopkins because 'that's what they want'. That's not what they want at all. They want their terrible opinions normalised. We should absolutely react with horror to horrible people saying horrific things.

 

[8ball]

I don't understand how the standout thing he got from the critically acclaimed, Oscar nominated, gritty WW1 movie 1917, is that there was a Sikh lad in it.

Is it any good?

 

[souljacker]

Is it any good?

I've not seen it. It's supposed to be fab. As long as you can deal with the occasional turban, you should love it.

 

[8ball]

I've not seen it. It's supposed to be fab. As long as you can deal with the occasional turban, you should love it.

I dunno, sounds a little confusing...

 

[souljacker]

I dunno, sounds a little confusing...

You'll be fine. Go for it.

I won't. I fucking hate cinemas.

 

[maomao]

You'll be fine. Go for it.

I won't. I fucking hate cinemas.

It's on Pirate Bay. A screener not a pit cam. Apparently.