Labour: Can they ever win another General Election?

[Serene]

OK Serene , perhaps I can explain more clearly. Let's imagine there are 629 constituencies with 1 voter in each and one constituency with 35,231,119 voters. Everyone who votes in the first constituencies votes Tory. Everyone who votes in the really big one votes Labour. How many voters does it take in optimal circumstances to get a Labour government?

Answer:- 1 voter in the big constituency, if everyone else abstains. That's what I call democracy.

I understood all this post until you said if everyone else abstains . What exactly does abstaining mean in these circumstances?

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I understood all this post until you said if everyone else abstains . What exactly does abstaining mean in these circumstances?

Abstaining means not voting. I'm just being silly.

 

[killer b]

this guy is definitely for real.

 

[Serene]

Abstaining means not voting. I'm just being silly.

Aah I understand it now. It is a better analogy than the one I used. I see perfectly what you mean, and I agree with it. It is a genuine flaw in terms of votes per head. The Tories will retort that they always with the majority vote too. Which is a bit I havent tried to understand yet.

 

[Serene]

OK Serene , perhaps I can explain more clearly. Let's imagine there are 629 constituencies with 1 voter in each and one constituency with 35,231,119 voters. Everyone who votes in the first constituencies votes Tory. Everyone who votes in the really big one votes Labour. How many voters does it take in optimal circumstances to get a Labour government?

Answer:- 1 voter in the big constituency, if everyone else abstains. That's what I call democracy.

See, this post has got me agreeing with my own original post again.

 

[David Clapson]

When in fact it is Cameron to blame for ruining the country by holding a Brexit vote, which was totally unnecessary. It was totally unnecessary and one which the mass of unenlightened in such issues in the UK were bound to vote for, in their ignorance.

Of course Cameron is to blame. But Corbyn had a golden opportunity to save us, and he wouldn't take it. He could have been a Labour leader who rescued the country from crazy conservatives. But he preferred to be stubborn and destructive. Fuck him. Fuck him forever. He has no place in public life.

 

[Serene]

True.

 

[Serene]

Of course Cameron is to blame. But Corbyn had a golden opportunity to save us, and he wouldn't take it. He could have been a Labour leader who rescued the country from crazy conservatives. But he preferred to be stubborn and destructive. Fuck him. Fuck him forever. He has no place in public life.

True.

 

[weltweit]

My feeling is that Corbyn frightened the horses. As to Labour winning again, no reason why Johnson might have irritated enough after 1 or 2 terms and Starmer might look competent by comparison.

 

[David Clapson]

But the Corbynistas haven't gone away. They'll carry on with their student politics, undermining Starmer. They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

 

[weltweit]

But the Corbynistas haven't gone away. They'll carry on with their student politics, undermining Starmer. They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

Oh well, a split Labour going through a civil war won't win an election.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

isn't that what the blairites did in 2017 / 2019 except substitute corbyn for starmer and something or other for socialism?

 

[mauvais]

But the Corbynistas haven't gone away. They'll carry on with their student politics, undermining Starmer. They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

Is this satire?

 

[kebabking]

Is this satire?

Read the twitter feed of a couple of corbynistas - taking vast delight in labour branches passing motions of NC in Starmer over the EHRC fall out. It's both pathetic and hilarious...

 

[danny la rouge]

I see what you mean. They got an extra 55 votes for an extra 3.4 percent of the vote. If Glasgow had voted for a Labour MP then that would have been one extra constituency for Labour.
I do appreciate you hearing me out with all this, and I am coming around to see your side of things, which I thank you for your patience.

A Tory MP in Glasgow! Good Lord, I am trying to come to terms with that.

There’s 7 MPs in Glasgow. They’re all SNP. That hasn’t always been the case.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Truly the top minds have arrived in the thread

 

[Humberto]

I think Labour can definitely win another general election. But they never will by playing nice. Corbyn tried to be the chilled-out uncle, Milliband accepted the lies that austerity was inevitable.
It's very simple: help people. People would love a good leader, but people aren't stupid. Of course they are all sell-outs, back-room dealers. Labour will never win by playing it cautious. Blair didn't. He got people to believe in him by doing headers with Kevin Keegan. I'm honestly not sure if I'm serious.

 

[danny la rouge]

True.

Funny how it seems.

 

[Pickman's model]

After starmer whips his mps to support a brexit deal there will never be another labour govt

 

[Serene]

After starmer whips his mps to support a brexit deal there will never be another labour govt

I am out of the loop with Starmer. He is a Brexit supporter? Is he another Tory in disguise? Also, forgive my ignorance, why will there never be another Labour Government in power after this?

 

[Serene]

Funny how it seems.

I am in ignorance of what you mean. I am intrigued by what funny how it seems means .

 

[fishfinger]

I am in ignorance of what you mean. I am intrigued by what funny how it seems means .

Spandau Ballet - True.

 

[danny la rouge]

I am in ignorance of what you mean. I am intrigued by what funny how it seems means .

Always in time, but never in line for dreams.

 

[Serene]

Spandau Ballet - True.

I didnt see that one at all thank you.

 

[rummo]

But the Corbynistas haven't gone away. They'll carry on with their student politics, undermining Starmer. They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

A bit like this, is it?

“Why do you want to just walk away and pass the title deeds of this great party over to someone like Keith Starmer? I don’t want to, I resent it, and I work every single day in some small way to bring forward the end of his tenure in office.

“Something, however small it may be – an email, a phone call or a meeting I convene – every day I try to do something to save the Labour party from his leadership.”

 

[Serene]

Always in time, but never in line for dreams.

I didnt see that one, thank you

 

[cantsin]

But the Corbynistas haven't gone away. They'll carry on with their student politics, undermining Starmer. They'd rather lose an election than see Starmer win. Their plan is for Starmer to fail so that everyone can see the light and embrace socialism.

"student politics " dig from someone spouting emptiest fresher fair centrist "analysis " imaginable zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[cantsin]

After starmer whips his mps to support a brexit deal there will never be another labour govt

#FBPE ultras getting all confused by Sir Keith's sudden transformation from loud, militant 2nd Reffer in 2018/19 (helping lead to almost inevitable loss of 50 + Northern Leave seats @ GE2019 ) to Brexit backer in 2020.... the hustle is something to behold, even in these hyper cynical times

 

[killer b]

Starmer wasn't a 'loud, militant 2nd reffer', his position was much more careful than that. In public at least.

 

[DotCommunist]

Remember the six tests? must have been 2018.