Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[Idris2002]

Half way through so far, haven't seen any mistakes/distortions - you?

Yeah it seems ok - my only problem isI'd hate to forward the link on, only to be told there was something dodgy elsewhere on their site.

 

[two sheds]

fair play

 

[Shechemite]

The other boards I go on has a thread with the Trump-supporting (far) right in utter glee about this. Someone on the left being called racist rather than them. They love it.

yeah, it’s just trump fans who find it amusing

In any case, Trump fans and far-right antisemites are generally not the same thing. The right wing antisemites even set up their own party (national justice party) in the US, citing Trumps alleged support for/ownership by the Jews

 

[Shechemite]

I was meaning to ask - are these middle East eye people OK, or is the shadow of the loon upon them?

But don’t link to the Sun

Is Israel's hand behind the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn?

Israeli group submits freedom of information request as evidence grows of meddling by Netanyahu government in UK politics

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[two sheds]

yeah, it’s just trump fans who find it amusing

In any case, Trump fans and far-right antisemites are generally not the same thing. The right wing antisemites even set up their own party (national justice party) in the US

I don't think I said it was.

Bit of an overlap though.

 

[Shechemite]

I don't think I said it was.

Bit of an overlap though.

how much of overlap between finding corbyns humilation (over his racism) amusing and being
1) a trump supporter
2) a racist trump supporter
3) a far right antisemite

 

[Shechemite]

It is good to see the professional anti-racists take a kicking tbh.

What they’re doing to the NHS atm is insane. Trust CEOs taking the knee and endorsing BLM, consultants talking about ‘white fragility’ and so on.

it will end badly.

 

[two sheds]

how much of overlap between finding corbyns humilation (over his racism) amusing and being
1) a trump supporter
2) a racist trump supporter
3) a far right antisemite

My original statement was "The other boards I go on has a thread with the Trump-supporting (far) right in utter glee about this. Someone on the left being called racist rather than them. They love it."

You're wanting me to say there's an overlap between you (for example) finding corbyn's humiliation amusing and being a trump supporter etc? Nope I'm not going to do that. I'm glad you find corbyn's humiliation amusing though, we all need some cheer in these troubled times.

I think you're wrong about him being a racist, my understanding is that he's fought against racism his whole political life.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What they’re doing to the NHS atm is insane. Trust CEOs taking the knee and endorsing BLM, consultants talking about ‘white fragility’ and so on.

That needs explaining really. Otherwise it just hangs there, like a stubborn fart.

 

[oryx]

What they’re doing to the NHS atm is insane. Trust CEOs taking the knee and endorsing BLM, consultants talking about ‘white fragility’ and so on.

What the actual fuck?

 

[Shechemite]

That needs explaining really.

to you it does. The constant insult to white patients of the NHS, and the constant ‘NHS Heroes, this is why we beat the Nazis, had windrush etc’ will not end well

setting up BAME staff as ‘heroes’, BAME patients as ‘victims’ and white people as the enemy will not end well.

 

[Shechemite]

What the actual fuck?

exactly

 

[Shechemite]

My original statement was "The other boards I go on has a thread with the Trump-supporting (far) right in utter glee about this. Someone on the left being called racist rather than them. They love it."

You're wanting me to say there's an overlap between you (for example) finding corbyn's humiliation amusing and being a trump supporter etc? Nope I'm not going to do that. I'm glad you find corbyn's humiliation amusing though, we all need some cheer in these trouble times.

I think you're wrong about him being a racist, my understanding is that he's fought against racism his whole political life.

On the right side of history aren’t you

 

[two sheds]

ta

 

[oryx]

to you it does. The constant insult to white patients of the NHS, and the constant ‘NHS Heroes, this is why we beat the Nazis, had windrush etc’ will not end well

setting up BAME staff as ‘heroes’, BAME patients as ‘victims’ and white people as the enemy will not end well.

OK, let's unpick this.

Just for starters, how exactly are white patients of the NHS being insulted?

 

[teqniq]

Stop making sense.

 

[Shechemite]

Everything the left has done as long as I’ve been politically active (awful term, but they you go) 22 years ago has done nothing but fuel the very mess we’re in.

Trust CEOs taking knee. You fucking lunatics.

 

[two sheds]

I've not noticed anyone here trusting CEOs taking the knee.

 

[Shechemite]

Was on a Unite zoom conference on ‘co-production in mental health’ the other day. Was glorious. Every single panellist was a university graduate. They followed the script (nothing about autism and learning disability, nothing about actual inpatients in long term hospitalisation, plenty on BAMELGBTetc)

the remember those conversations we once had about the white working class?

 

[Shechemite]

I've not noticed anyone here trusting CEOs taking the knee.

come on to a thread about antisemitism, do a spot of trolling, down with racists (the genuine racists that is)

 

[Shechemite]

You can be as smug as you like but your grand dreams aren’t coming to fruition are they?

 

[Shechemite]

OK, let's unpick this.

Just for starters, how exactly are white patients of the NHS being insulted?

‘NHS Heroes, this is why we beat the Nazis, had windrush etc’

setting up BAME staff as ‘heroes’, BAME patients as ‘victims’ and white people as the enemy.

 

[Shechemite]

‘White fragility’
‘white lives have always mattered’ (to quote a social worker I had to pleasure listening to at a BASW event the other day)
‘white lives don’t matter’ (to quote that posh Cambridge woman)

Genius

 

[littlebabyjesus]

‘White fragility’
‘white lives have always mattered’ (to quote a social worker I had to pleasure listening to at a BASW event the other day)
‘white lives don’t matter’ (to quote that posh Cambridge woman)

Genius

You haven't answered the question 'how exactly are white patients of the NHS being insulted?' That's just bollocks, isn't it?

 

[Dogsauce]

These days, if you say you're English, they’ll arrest you and throw you in jail.

 

[oryx]

‘White fragility’
‘white lives have always mattered’ (to quote a social worker I had to pleasure listening to at a BASW event the other day)
‘white lives don’t matter’ (to quote that posh Cambridge woman)

Genius

Do you have a problem with the BLM movement?

 

[SlideshowBob]

Labour 5% ahead of the Tories in this poll. Whether that survives the battles over Corbyn's suspension is anyone's guess (fieldwork done before the report was published of course). Much as I'm appalled at the suspension, I don't discount starmer getting some benefit from this in the polls, particularly as his lone pitch was 'I'm not Jeremy Corbyn'. Against that, all the clichés about divided parties, 'civil war' headlines etc. I'm not convinced AS in the Labour Party has ever been a big public issue, it's always been the noise around it.

Labour surges to five-point poll lead in boost to Keir Starmer as Boris Johnson stumbles over Covid and school meals

I get the impression Starmer is banking on the general public who don't really like Corbyn approving of this, and the left who disapproved of it still ultimately voting for Labour when the next election comes around. Which could be a solid bet for him.

A lot of the rhetoric even from people like McDonnell seems to hint against any immediate full split, and they appear to be playing this carefully. Threats of any new party probably won't frighten Starmer all that much because the failure of Change UK last year showed quite clearly that breakaways tend to be doomed for the most part. Any breakaway party led by one of the central figures in Corbyn's leadership will be seen as illogical because Labour under Corbyn lost convincingly last year. And younger socialist MP's probably won't want to leave Labour because they'll be throwing away any future political capital they could maybe have. If Starmer's goal is, indeed, to rid the party of anyone associated with Corbyn and his wing of politics, then mass resignations would probably be walking right into his trap.

 

[Raheem]

The constant insult to white patients of the NHS

It's probably not to do with you being white. A lot of nurses have been under strain recently. Try not being a dickhead.

 

[two sheds]

I get the impression Starmer is banking on the general public who don't really like Corbyn approving of this, and the left who disapproved of it still ultimately voting for Labour when the next election comes around. Which could be a solid bet for him.

A lot of the rhetoric even from people like McDonnell seems to hint against any immediate full split, and they appear to be playing this carefully. Threats of any new party probably won't frighten Starmer all that much because the failure of Change UK last year showed quite clearly that breakaways tend to be doomed for the most part. Any breakaway party led by one of the central figures in Corbyn's leadership will be seen as illogical because Labour under Corbyn lost convincingly last year. And younger socialist MP's probably won't want to leave Labour because they'll be throwing away any future political capital they could maybe have. If Starmer's goal is, indeed, to rid the party of anyone associated with Corbyn and his wing of politics, then mass resignations would probably be walking right into his trap.

Any breakaway party will also have consistent accusations of antisemitism at it by media and labour right wing whether true or not. Permanent feature for the left I'd say now, it's been so successful.

 

[Shechemite]

It's probably not to do with you being white. A lot of nurses have been under strain recently. Try not being a dickhead.

This attitude is working out so well for the left isn’t it