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Labour & Anti-Semitism.

Raheem said:
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Sinn Fein and some toff, no JC (in the shot)
 
Sue said:
Starmer on R4 just now. Fuck 'forensic', that was floundering.
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Yeh what was all that I thought it was important we had voices in the shadow cabinet about - voices for what? Which they should have asked but didn't. And if I was JC I'd be well pleased with that because KS seemed to offer conclusions indicating there was no problem with corbyn's statement as a whole just a couple of bits removed from their context
 
My local Tories in Croydon are, inevitably, re-raking over Steve Reed's use of the antisemitic trope of puppet-master in a tweet about Desmond's donation to the party following Jenryk's bent planning decision.

I checked back and, despite the suggestion otherwise by the local tories, Reed was quick to apologise unreservedly for the tweet...but I was drawn to the comment from Starmer:

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Humberto said:
The fact of the matter is that Corbyn actually went up against the establishment. So he has many enemies. He is weak compared to the establishment. He offered a radically beneficial manifesto which was rejected by a Johnson/Cummings soundbite. Sign your own death warrant to some degree?

The Tories say the left is controlling, i.e. the bonkers conspiracy theory questioned here; Jewish 'influence', 'cutural Marxism'. Bullshit. The Left has heritage. It isn't anti-human and it certainly isn't anti-semtic. This generation of parliamentarians is about the weakest and 'save your own ass' mentality I can remember. Labour is a digrace. The Tories are murdering, dreary misanthropes. Starmer won't last. Neither will Johnson. They are both time wasters. I never voted for either of them and I hope they retire to the revolving door of corporate hand-jobs soon. We've been here before, Cameron, Osborne, Clegg. About the only one I don't mind is 'Red Ed'.

The 'Left' isn't a party. It certainly isn't the Labour Party. One thing I know is that it isn't going away. Corbyn fell into a trap. He isn't the perfect politician. That's a contradiction in terms anyway. What he is is real. Priti Patel and Boris Johnson aren't. I actually think Corbyn isn't done yet. In other words I expect he still has enough good will amongst friends to overturn this.
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You are utterly bonkers if you think Corbyn isn’t done yet. If you mean that he may cause trouble, possibly he isn’t, but do you really think he would win a leadership election now? With all those who voted for Cyclist Harmer? And if you think he could then win a general election, we’ll I’d like some of what you are smoking.

People are going to be crosser and crosser with him over the next while. Whatever the context and media he has brought Labour to failure and disgrace. He could have mitigated these disasters by reaching out to people receiving antisemitism (whether he liked them or not or if they were political enemies) but he didn’t. He could have jumped ship from midway through the last term when it was evident he could not win, but he didn’t.

If he wants any redemption, accept the report gracefully, apologise, bow out, go on I’m a celebrity or something. But as a political force he is done for. He wouldn’t even attract that many if he set up a new party. If that sounds harsh, it’s actually not intended, but he is not the future of the left, surely?
 
Mr Moose said:
You are utterly bonkers if you think Corbyn isn’t done yet. If you mean that he may cause trouble, possibly he isn’t, but do you really think he would win a leadership election now? With all those who voted for Cyclist Harmer? And if you think he could then win a general election, we’ll I’d like some of what you are smoking.

People are going to be crosser and crosser with him over the next while. Whatever the context and media he has brought Labour to failure and disgrace. He could have mitigated these disasters by reaching out to people receiving antisemitism (whether he liked them or not or if they were political enemies) but he didn’t. He could have jumped ship from midway through the last term when it was evident he could not win, but he didn’t.

If he wants any redemption, accept the report gracefully, apologise, bow out, go on I’m a celebrity or something. But as a political force he is done for. He wouldn’t even attract that many if he set up a new party. If that sounds harsh, it’s actually not intended, but he is not the future of the left, surely?
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Not what I said at all is it? I'm clearly talking about his suspension, and possible ejection.
 
Attempting a debate relating to religon with the adherent to any religon is a complete waste of time, once indoctrinated myths become facts and facts become plastic.
 
Hyperdark said:
Attempting a debate relating to religon with the adherent to any religon is a complete waste of time, once indoctrinated myths become facts and facts become plastic.
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This is another of those better to keep quiet and be thought a fool moments. But you keep insisting to demonstrating your folly.
 
Mr Moose said:
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He could have mitigated these disasters by reaching out to people receiving antisemitism (whether he liked them or not or if they were political enemies) but he didn’t.
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Anyone who believes that anything other than his resignation would have mollified these critics are themselves smoking something potent. This was an amplified scandal to undermine him - he and "the left" of the party were the real target of it rather than antisemitism. There was no ending that would have satisfied those weaponising antisemitism other than his departure.
 
kropotkin said:
Anyone who believes that anything other than his resignation would have mollified these critics are themselves smoking something potent. This was an amplified scandal to undermine him - he and "the left" of the party were the real target of it rather than antisemitism. There was no ending that would have satisfied those weaponising antisemitism other than his departure.
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I agree 100%, but by some (many, tbh) of his actions, he's actually made it easier for them to portray him as antisemitism or at least not fully determined to root it out within the LP.
 
andysays said:
I agree 100%, but by some (many, tbh) of his actions, he's actually made it easier for them to portray him as antisemitism or at least not fully determined to root it out within the LP.
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Arguably the most damning section of the report is where it finds him (as head of the LP) responsible for harassment. But the only examples it gives are of Livingstone and Bromley - as they made comments in their capacity as LP office holders. But the idea that they wouldn't have come out with the stuff they did (and it was solely Livingstone's comments on Naz Shah that were the problem, not his moronic statement that 'Hitler was a zionist') is Corbyn hadn't been leader is laughable.
 
kropotkin said:
Anyone who believes that anything other than his resignation would have mollified these critics are themselves smoking something potent. This was an amplified scandal to undermine him - he and "the left" of the party were the real target of it rather than antisemitism. There was no ending that would have satisfied those weaponising antisemitism other than his departure.
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That view seems to have saved him the fuss of trying too hard. But if you are in an organisation and someone you despise is subjected to racism what would you do? I think you’d try everything to make it clear you supported them in that respect, in fact you in his position you might try extra hard as it’s a public facing game. And moreover, you would be appalled by it.
 
Labour 5% ahead of the Tories in this poll. Whether that survives the battles over Corbyn's suspension is anyone's guess (fieldwork done before the report was published of course). Much as I'm appalled at the suspension, I don't discount starmer getting some benefit from this in the polls, particularly as his lone pitch was 'I'm not Jeremy Corbyn'. Against that, all the clichés about divided parties, 'civil war' headlines etc. I'm not convinced AS in the Labour Party has ever been a big public issue, it's always been the noise around it.

 
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