belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
How do you think it dealt with them? By blaming the leadership.
Labour & Anti-Semitism.
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toblerone3
Grrrrr
On what page does it discuss those allegations? On what page does it decide that those allegations were groundless that the leadership of the party was to blame for everything? Perhaps I should actually read it but hoping for a steer towards the relevant section.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
chapter 6, mostly, tho there is stuff scattered throughout. It makes zero comment about any potentially egregious complaints.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Steve Bell’s take on events 
gosub
~#
tbf He did go all in, and expect judgement from a deity
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who demanded who and how why not jewish?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
OK that needs explaining - it's attempt at biblical allusion (you jews love the bible right). It's reffing when john was killed. Nutters think that JC could rise again as the real jesus- as per the shit cartoon.
You've fucked it for everyone.
You've fucked it for everyone.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
I'm a lefty and in all honesty, I didn't spot it straight away, it was only when it was pointed out that it became obvious.
I wonder how many other people didn't spot it first time round? I don't think it was a given, I don't think I must've been the sole exception.
I was scrolling on my phone, small screen, and read that Corbyn had supported some street art, and my knee jerk reaction was good on him, that's clearly street art, it's not shitty graffiti or the mindless territorial pissing contest that is tagging, street art is a valid artform.
But of course the furore made me take a second look, and then it became clear.
Corbyn's had a solid reputation for years (along with John McConnell) as someone who supports grassroots campaigns, so I'd imagine his knee jerk reaction to a campaign to sign a petition or speak out or whatever to save some street art was to do so, without necessarily examining closely the subject matter.
It's easily done. I did it myself, ie I didn't look too closely at the image in the first instance. And yet Corbyn's now painted as an antisemite, even though he subsequently apologised and admitted that he hadn't looked closely.
Has no one else clicked like or commented on something on social media while on their phone, maybe on public transport or while watching telly, while only half paying attention, and maybe getting the wrong end of the stick?
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pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
The mural, in itself, was trivial. It was cumulative. There was the laying of flowers close to terrorist graves, the platform sharing. There was tea with IRÁ folk in the House of Commons, but never photos of him having tea with a rabbi.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Except John the Baptist didn't "rise again as the real Jesus"
Also, it's christians wot luv the bible, not jews
But you knew that
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
The fact of the matter is that Corbyn actually went up against the establishment. So he has many enemies. He is weak compared to the establishment. He offered a radically beneficial manifesto which was rejected by a Johnson/Cummings soundbite. Sign your own death warrant to some degree?
The Tories say the left is controlling, i.e. the bonkers conspiracy theory questioned here; Jewish 'influence', 'cutural Marxism'. Bullshit. The Left has heritage. It isn't anti-human and it certainly isn't anti-semtic. This generation of parliamentarians is about the weakest and 'save your own ass' mentality I can remember. Labour is a digrace. The Tories are murdering, dreary misanthropes. Starmer won't last. Neither will Johnson. They are both time wasters. I never voted for either of them and I hope they retire to the revolving door of corporate hand-jobs soon. We've been here before, Cameron, Osborne, Clegg. About the only one I don't mind is 'Red Ed'.
The 'Left' isn't a party. It certainly isn't the Labour Party. One thing I know is that it isn't going away. Corbyn fell into a trap. He isn't the perfect politician. That's a contradiction in terms anyway. What he is is real. Priti Patel and Boris Johnson aren't. I actually think Corbyn isn't done yet. In other words I expect he still has enough good will amongst friends to overturn this.
The Tories say the left is controlling, i.e. the bonkers conspiracy theory questioned here; Jewish 'influence', 'cutural Marxism'. Bullshit. The Left has heritage. It isn't anti-human and it certainly isn't anti-semtic. This generation of parliamentarians is about the weakest and 'save your own ass' mentality I can remember. Labour is a digrace. The Tories are murdering, dreary misanthropes. Starmer won't last. Neither will Johnson. They are both time wasters. I never voted for either of them and I hope they retire to the revolving door of corporate hand-jobs soon. We've been here before, Cameron, Osborne, Clegg. About the only one I don't mind is 'Red Ed'.
The 'Left' isn't a party. It certainly isn't the Labour Party. One thing I know is that it isn't going away. Corbyn fell into a trap. He isn't the perfect politician. That's a contradiction in terms anyway. What he is is real. Priti Patel and Boris Johnson aren't. I actually think Corbyn isn't done yet. In other words I expect he still has enough good will amongst friends to overturn this.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Preprare ye the way of the Lord Mann?
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
First, you're projecting what you think onto what "most left wing people would see" - the ad populum fallacy.
Second, you're reading support for freedom of expression as support for what was expressed.
Third, it's clear from Corbyn's comment at the time and his subsequent apology, that he didn't pay much attention to the mural. He certainly didn't advocate for its preservation. His response to Mear One looks like a gentle brush off from a busy man, not the enthusiastic backing of a fellow swivel eyed loon.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Jews are more talmudically inclined. Babylonians
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
My take - and aside - is that Corbyn and starmer were the twin agents of Labour's downfall on Brexit. They might have had diametrically opposed views but the playing out of their battle, the months of not having a policy, the mealy mouthed formulations, meant they couldn't even kill off Theresa May. Starmer's line was awful, but Corbyn let it all happen. Neither of them got it, got the extent to which Brexit was symptomatic of something deeper. Maybe Corbyn did get it, but he couldn't manage to tell the intervening strata of remainers and labour officials to shut the fuck up. He couldn't engage with people and, what, thought it would somehow come out right? It didn't. The pair of them, in their different ways, back with John the Baptist, prepared the way for Johnson.
David Clapson
Well-Known Member
I give up. I was hoping for a longish period of pragmatism and a path back to electability, but they're addicted to civil war. Not going to renew my membership. Screw the lot of them.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Were there any photos of him having tea with the IRA?
There are plenty of photos of him meeting with Jewish people, difficult to tell if they're rabbis though, so you could be right on that point. Not really.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You don't even need to consider what Corbyn said about it. Either he saw what he knew to be an anti-Semitic mural, liked what he saw, and decided it was a good idea, as an MP, to spring to its defence. Or he failed to see what was problematic about it. Anyone who claims to have thought about the episode and decided the first option is plausible is just bullshitting.
Not that I think Corbyn never put a foot wrong, and he ought to have known the mural was dodgy, so he doesn't necessarily come out well in any case.
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19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Hence the apology. Which is more than you'd ever get from most politicians.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
The JLM has to my knowledge proven links to the Israeli Embassy: in any event how are two examples, one an obscure councillor “damning”. They clearly aren’t.
certainly JVL was set up in response to attacks but it includes (clue in the name here) Jewish people in which case my point stands: if he is anti-Semitic then how come these Jewish people work with him?
Even the EHRC report nowhere stated JC is an anti-Semite, he patently isn’t.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
MIB, sadly you are wrong here
1) Genuine anti-semites will find the demonisation of Corbyn hilarious.
2) No way has Starmer developed a serious analysis of racism: in fact the tragedy is that by mixing up genuine concerns about anti-semitism with Labour Right factionalising the issue has become clouded
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Fair point, although, as an aside, I think you'd actually get the same from most politicians in a similar scenario.
So. Just to clarify. Anyone who disputes the expansion of the Israeli settlements into Palestinian lands, against international law, is now a racist?
Coz if so, well. That's me fucked.
Corbyn's a total idiot, who gifted Boris a massive majority but not for one minute an anti-Semite or a racist.
Coz if so, well. That's me fucked.
Corbyn's a total idiot, who gifted Boris a massive majority but not for one minute an anti-Semite or a racist.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Tea with the IRA?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
1) if by ‘genuine’ antisemites you mean antisemites who aren’t traumatised when they’re called antisemites? Very few in number, in a society where hating Jews isn’t a popular prejudice The risk such sociopaths and oddballs pose is one of terrorism. They can find it as hilarious as they like (haven’t checked bitchute for a while so yeah maybe), but they have fuck all reach (much harder when the only place you can ‘honestly’ discuss the JQ is on fucking DLive or whatever).
2) I wasn’t referring to starmer.
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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
'Funny that, my brother's a nonce too!'
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
He can fuck off and all
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